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- September 23, 2013 at 11:35 am #141056
Eg: a person has to pay 10 annuities of $500 at the end of each year.
The PV of the loan is $ 3500The formula for annuity is PV = Annuity x [1 – (1 + i)^-n] / i
How can we calculate the implicit interest rate on the loan?
September 23, 2013 at 1:44 pm #141069umm do u know the answer? cus i have arrived to one and i do not know if what i have done is right π
so i used some mathematics here and hopefully i have not broken any math rules -_-
this is what i came up with:
n = 10
3500= 500 [ 1- 1/(1+r)^10 / r all i did here was get read of that negative exponent by reciprocal.
3500= 500 [ (1+r)^10 – 1/ (1+r)^10 / r ] what i have done here is i have solved the numerator fraction part by finding L.C.D
3500= 500 [ -1/r ] we cancel out (1+r)^10
hence r = approx -7 and i dont know how to get rid of the minus π If you substitute the r=7 you get approx 3511 well something close though don’t u think πCheers
September 23, 2013 at 5:17 pm #141092Plen’s answer is correct.
However, you can not be required to do this mathematically in the exam. In the exam you can only be required to use the annuity tables ‘backwards’.
The PV = annuity x annuity discount factor
So, 3500 = 500 x the 10 year annuity discount factor
So, the 10 year annuity discount factor must equal 3500/500 = 7.
Now look at the annuity tables. Go to the 10 year row and see which rate of interest gives a factor of 7.
You will see that 7% results in a discount factor of 7.024, and 8% results in a discount factor of 6.710.
The nearest to 7.000 is 7%. (The exact answer will be slightly more than 7%, but in the exam you would only be required to get it to the nearest %)
April 4, 2015 at 1:37 pm #240122no direct formula.. must be simulate. but i can find interest rate easy with anything annuity case.. try me please with this topic.
May 21, 2015 at 6:53 am #247504@plen said:
umm do u know the answer? cus i have arrived to one and i do not know if what i have done is right πso i used some mathematics here and hopefully i have not broken any math rules -_-
this is what i came up with:
n = 10
3500= 500 [ 1- 1/(1+r)^10 / r all i did here was get read of that negative exponent by reciprocal.
3500= 500 [ (1+r)^10 – 1/ (1+r)^10 / r ] what i have done here is i have solved the numerator fraction part by finding L.C.D
3500= 500 [ -1/r ] we cancel out (1+r)^10
hence r = approx -7 and i dont know how to get rid of the minus π If you substitute the r=7 you get approx 3511 well something close though don’t u think πCheers
the answer is : 7,07 % (7,07282 )
May 21, 2015 at 8:51 am #247541Ambisoft: that is fine, but are you really going to do this in 3.6 minutes (which is the time you have for a multiple choice question) given that some of that time will be taken up by reading the question? π
F9 is not a maths exam πFebruary 15, 2017 at 4:23 pm #372530Hi Sir
bit confuse with 3.5 % 5 year interest for reedeemable debt
how to calculate with 3.5% discount rate annuity.
I requested because annuity table not showing 3.5 %. It is only showing in whole number
RegardsFebruary 15, 2017 at 4:36 pm #372532Hi Sir
If I requested earlier something how to find that reply
regardsJune 1, 2017 at 6:16 am #389366If you are wanting for me to answer, then you must ask in the Ask the Tutor Forum. This forum is for students to help each other (and so I don’t look at it very often).
The formula for calculating the annuity factors is shown at the top of the annuity tables that you get given in the exam (and a copy of them is in our free lecture notes).
However it is very unusual in the exam to be asked to discount at an interest rate that is not in the tables. With redeemable debt, it would only be relevant if you were asked to calculate the market value of the debt and the lenders required rate of return was 3.5%.
More commonly in the exam with redeemable debt, you are given the market value and asked to calculate the cost of debt. In that case (as I explain in the free lectures) you calculate the IRR by making two ‘guesses’ as usual, and you would not choose a rate like 3.5% as one of the guesses.June 22, 2017 at 1:30 pm #393792Hi Plen,
IΒ΄m trying to calculate the interest rate for an annuity, knowing the PV, the annuity and the number of periods and IΒ΄m struggling with the formula. I donΒ΄t understand how does (1+r)^10 cancel put in the equation (1+r)^10 β 1/ (1+r)^10 / r to result in [ -1/r ] as (1+r)^10 in the nominator itΒ΄s subtracting 1, not multiplying.
for me {[(1+r)^10 β 1] / (1+r)^10} / r –> 1- [1/(1+r)^10] which leads back to the starting point :/
June 22, 2017 at 2:27 pm #393803What on earth are you doing this for? You cannot possibly be required to use the formula ‘backwards’ in the Paper F9 exam and so you really are wasting your time.
The most you could be expected to do (and even this is not so likely) is to use the annuity tables backwards. You can calculate the annuity factor (the PV divided by the annual flow). So look along the 10 year row, find the nearest figure to the annuity factor, and see what interest is at the top of the column!!!
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