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Harrington F7

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  • This topic has 11 replies, 7 voices, and was last updated 13 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • April 24, 2011 at 1:41 pm #48206
    imrankhalid11
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    wht is the difference between sales nd revenue ?
    why have plant proceed minus from revenue ?

    April 30, 2011 at 6:50 pm #81076
    nadir
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    What are you talking about here. specify the question number, year, from which book, etc??????

    May 3, 2011 at 3:15 pm #81077
    MikeLittle
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    Revenue is income. Most income comes from sales. But if you’re a service company, your revenue is from services provided. If you’re a leasing company, your revenue is from lease interest received. So sales are revenue, but revenue isn’t necessarily sales. ( All elephants are animals, but not all animals are elephants! )

    Point number 1 in the notes after the Harrington figures says “Included in sales revenue ….” Proceeds of disposal of TNCA are not “sales”. The net profit or loss on disposal will be shown ( the balancing figure from the “Disposals Account” )

    May 24, 2011 at 2:14 pm #81078
    nicky247
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    I understand why the entire sales proceeds of 300 is deducted from sales but why is the profit on disposal deducted from the cost of sales figure?
    this is in the harrington question in the BPP Revision Kit.

    May 25, 2011 at 3:40 am #81079
    safreena
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    could anyone explain me d depreciation part, its so confusing in bpp kit !

    May 25, 2011 at 10:07 am #81081
    MikeLittle
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    nicky, the company has Dr Cash and Cr Revenue. We need to “undo” that entry so Dr Revenue and Cr Cash. OK, now we can do the correct entries:
    Dr Disposal a/c 900 Cr TNCA Cost a/c 900
    Dr Accum Depn 630 Cr Disposal a/c 630
    DR Cash 300 Cr Disposal a/c 300
    That leaves a balance on Disposal a/c of 30 and it’s a profit.
    Can you accept that a profit ( or loss ) on disposal of an asset is, in effect, an over- ( or under- ) provision for depreciation in prior years?
    And if depreciation is charged to Cost of Sales a/c, then surely a gain on disposal of an asset should be used to reduce the cost of sales ( a loss would increase the cost of sales ).
    And that’s what BPP have done
    Dr Disposal a/c 30 Credit Cost of Sales 30

    May 18, 2012 at 2:20 pm #81083
    anu1234
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    hi sir..
    i didnt understand the depreciation part of this question .
    How did they arrive at 450 depreciation in the current year .. ?

    Also can you please give me a clear idea about what to do when revaluation and depreciation comes.. i guess that is the principle applied here.. if i am wrong pardon me. but can u give me a simple example to understand this ?

    “Can you accept that a profit ( or loss ) on disposal of an asset is, in effect, an over- ( or under- ) provision for depreciation in prior years? ” An example for this too…

    sorry for asking too many questions. But i need simple examples to understand the concepts.

    thanks in advance.

    May 20, 2012 at 12:46 pm #81084
    MikeLittle
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    Hi Anu

    450 is 25% calculated on the reducing balance basis. The appropriate figure is 4,300 cost ( ie 5,200 per question less 900 cost of disposal ) less 2,500 ( ie 3,130 per question less 630 depreciation on the disposed asset ). So 25% x ( 4,300 – 2,500 ) is 25% x 1,800 = 450

    Hope that helps

    May 23, 2012 at 4:44 am #81085
    anu1234
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    sir i need clarification on the figure of finance cost to be included in the consolidated income statment. ?
    only parents figure is included or what ?
    what are the adjustments to be made on finance cost

    May 23, 2012 at 5:37 pm #81086
    MikeLittle
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    Which question? Generally, the consolidated finance charge is the parent’s + the time apportioned post acquisition charge of the subsidiary – any finance / loan interest paid WITHIN the group ( so need to cancel finance expense against finance income where it relates to an intra-group loan )

    May 25, 2012 at 2:11 pm #81087
    yourerica
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    I am still confused ” with

    @mikelittle said:
    nicky, the company has Dr Cash and Cr Revenue. We need to “undo” that entry so Dr Revenue and Cr Cash. OK, now we can do the correct entries:
    Dr Disposal a/c 900 Cr TNCA Cost a/c 900
    Dr Accum Depn 630 Cr Disposal a/c 630
    DR Cash 300 Cr Disposal a/c 300
    That leaves a balance on Disposal a/c of 30 and it’s a profit.
    Can you accept that a profit ( or loss ) on disposal of an asset is, in effect, an over- ( or under- ) provision for depreciation in prior years?
    And if depreciation is charged to Cost of Sales a/c, then surely a gain on disposal of an asset should be used to reduce the cost of sales ( a loss would increase the cost of sales ).
    And that’s what BPP have done
    Dr Disposal a/c 30 Credit Cost of Sales 30

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    could you pls explain further cause i thought the cash should be adjusted given that the wrong entry was recorded before. Thanks a lot !

    May 25, 2012 at 5:35 pm #81088
    MikeLittle
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    Have you followed carefully my reply to Nicky which you have quoted in your post? The cash IS adjusted to correct the bad entry …… and then it’s corrected again to record the correct entries.

    Simply, no, I can’t answer it any clearer! Sorry!

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