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Group audit

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  • This topic has 10 replies, 2 voices, and was last updated 8 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • August 1, 2016 at 1:43 pm #330674
    samsulmkt54
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    Dear sir
    When one company will treated as significant of the group ? What is the required materiality level ?
    Thanks

    August 2, 2016 at 7:26 am #330790
    MikeLittle
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    No definition is available – materiality is in the eye of the beholder. Where one firm of auditors may consider a subsidiary as material, it’s possible that a different firm of auditors would consider that same subsidiary to be immaterial

    In the exam the examiner will make it unambiguously apparent that the subsidiary is (or, equally, is not) material by giving values for revenue, profits, assets that are then to be considered by you in a brief discussion about materiality

    Does that help?

    August 2, 2016 at 9:13 am #330805
    samsulmkt54
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    Sir
    Still I am not clear . For exam Q in Dec 13 named Stow how do I know zennor is the significance of the group?

    August 2, 2016 at 3:09 pm #330874
    MikeLittle
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    $22.5m projected profit for Zennor compared with group projected profit (inclusive of 11/12s of this $22.5m) of $200m

    That’s greater than 10% (actually it’s 10.3125% of this year’s group profit)

    $200m worth of assets at the year end compared with $2,500m total group assets including Zennor’s $200m ….. that’s 8% of group assets

    How many more indicators do you need before you determine that Zennor is material to the group?

    It even has its own internal audit team suggesting that it’s a sizable operation!

    August 2, 2016 at 4:13 pm #330890
    samsulmkt54
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    That means any materiality figure exceeds the 10% or 8 % I assume the companies are material for the group.
    In exam standard Question how many points do I need to make for 13 marks like question retriever (6/13)?
    Thanks

    August 2, 2016 at 4:26 pm #330892
    MikeLittle
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    It depends what you are aiming for! If you want to barely scrape through the exam, you need to score 50% or more of the available marks (6.5 / 7 marks)

    You suggest 6 out of 13. That’s 46% and a clear FAIL

    If you want to pass with comfort, you should be looking to score maybe 65% – 75% of the available marks (8/10 marks)

    But if you want to be properly on top of the subject, you could be looking to score 90%+ of those marks (12/13 marks)

    Basically you need to work on the principle of one mark for each separate, valid, relevant, markable point

    Check out the course notes for guidance on 3 measures of materiality – it’s all in there

    August 2, 2016 at 6:28 pm #330915
    samsulmkt54
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    Thanks

    August 2, 2016 at 6:52 pm #330922
    samsulmkt54
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    Dear sir
    Do I need to make subheading for every valid & relevant point either can I make just one valid point for 1 mark?
    For example acquisition of subsidiary–
    1. Good calculation
    2.Goodwill impairment
    3. IFRS 3 business combination disclosure
    4.intra company transactions
    5.Related party transaction if have.
    If I just make separate paragraph for above point without headings is it ok for exam for 1 mark for every point.
    In June exam I made subheadings for paragraph in question number one but I feel difficult to make subheadings for every paragraph.
    If I write down three separate , valid & relevant point under one subheadings how many mark will I get?
    Thanks

    August 2, 2016 at 8:57 pm #330947
    MikeLittle
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    “Do I need to make subheading for every valid & relevant point ” – NO

    “can I make just one valid point for 1 mark?” – YES

    “If I just make separate paragraph for above point without headings is it ok for exam for 1 mark for every point.” – YES so long as you write in proper sentences

    What’s the point of a heading when there’s only one point within that heading?

    “If I write down three separate , valid & relevant point under one subheadings how many mark will I get?” – THREE

    August 2, 2016 at 9:41 pm #330974
    samsulmkt54
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    Thank u very much…

    August 3, 2016 at 7:12 am #330999
    MikeLittle
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    You’re welcome

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