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Future obligated costs through discounting down methoad

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  • This topic has 12 replies, 4 voices, and was last updated 10 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • November 4, 2014 at 9:23 pm #207735
    ali usman
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    Dear ,
    can you please explian the present value of future dismentaling cost calculation through discounted down rate in PPE IAS 16
    here is an example for tht
    You buy an asset at the start of the year with the following costs:
    1) Purchase Price 1,000
    2) Legal fees 500
    3) Admin costs in negotiating the fee 100
    4) Future dismantling cost of 200 in 3 years time
    Discount rate is 10%
    How much is the cost of the asset at the start of the year? whts the Future dismantling cost show working

    November 6, 2014 at 3:12 pm #208005
    MikeLittle
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    200 * (1/1.10)^3 = $150.26

    OK?

    Total capitalised asset is $1,150.26

    November 6, 2014 at 3:20 pm #208006
    ruqayyah
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    MikeLittle, why the legal fees ($500) and the admin costs ($100) are not accounted for to compute the cost of the asset?

    November 6, 2014 at 3:43 pm #208019
    MikeLittle
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    Because they are period related – not to be capitalised

    November 8, 2014 at 12:17 am #208333
    ali usman
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    Dear Mike ,

    Please elaborate the formula of future dismentaling cost

    November 8, 2014 at 12:24 am #208334
    ali usman
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    Dear Mike ,
    Admin cost for negotiating for asset is $100 is period realated but Legal Fee $500 should be included in cost of capital
    You have calculated Future dismentaling cost accurate 150
    Answer is Total cost of capital $1650

    November 9, 2014 at 5:54 pm #208663
    MikeLittle
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    The technique of discounting future cash flows is fully covered in the video lectures for F5. May I ask that you watch those videos and then, should you still not understand, post again

    November 10, 2014 at 2:20 pm #208813
    Anton
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    Hello Mike,

    Could you please explain( with workings) the subsequent effects regarding the capitalised dismantling cost and the corresponding provision?

    Would the asset be depreciated (I.e 150/3=50′ new cv 100, double book entry: db CoS 50 cr asset 50) and the provision unwinded (150×0,1= 15; cr ADmin C 15 db 0rovison 15)?

    What will be the SFP and the IS look like one year later?

    Thanks A

    November 10, 2014 at 3:23 pm #208834
    MikeLittle
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    Which question? Please give me a reference

    November 10, 2014 at 5:07 pm #208879
    Anton
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    I am referring to the example above (dismantling 200 in 3y time and 10%)

    November 10, 2014 at 9:55 pm #208921
    MikeLittle
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    So, take the today’s estimated costs of dismantling, discount by three years at the company’s cost of capital, and make a provision for that amount.

    Dr asset, Cr Provision today by the value of that obligation

    As each year rolls by, unroll the discount

    Dr finance costs, Cr provision

    Meanwhile you are depreciating the “inflated” value of the asset over its expected useful life including the capitalised cost of dismantling

    At the end of the period, you should have the cost of dismantling in the provision account (as adjusted annually for revisions of that estimate)

    Then credit cash ( with the dismantling cost) and Dr the Provision account

    Does that help?

    November 11, 2014 at 3:10 pm #209136
    Anton
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    Hello Mike,

    Thanks. That will effect, that I have 2 effects in the income statement for subsequent periods:

    1. Depreciation of the capitalized dismantling asset (db CoS cr Asset)
    2. Unwinding the provision (db Admin cost cr provision)

    Correct?

    Thanks
    A

    November 11, 2014 at 4:01 pm #209151
    MikeLittle
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    Correct

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