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Financial instruments- Question:Jedders , part C

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  • March 23, 2014 at 6:57 pm #162880
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    Hello
    I am having some difficulty understanding the IAS 32 financial instruments. I am trying to answer this question (#51 Jedders from the BPP text). The question basically states the following:

    1 Jan 20×0, Jedders issued 15 mil of 7% convertible loan notes at par. 5 yrs later they can be converted into equity shares on the basis of 25 shares for each $100 of loan stock OR redeemed at par. The effective interest rate is 10%. RTF: SOPL & SOFP extracts for the year to Dec 20×0.

    The answer shows the following:
    total NPV (debt component) 13,279.50
    proceeds of issue 15,000.00
    equity component 1,720.5

    SOPL
    interest paid [7% x 15mil] + 278= 1,328
    working= [10% x 13.2795 mil] – 1.05 mil= 278

    SOFP
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    7% convertible loan notes (13,279.5 + 278)= 13,557.5

    Equity
    Option to convert to equity=1,720.5

    My questions are as follow:
    1- why is the difference considered to be equity?
    2- I don’t understand the working at all…why isn’t the interest paid in the SOPL just the 7% x 15 mil?

    March 23, 2014 at 7:05 pm #162884
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    1 – it’s a compound instrument ie part debt and part equity. Calculate the value of the debt, deduct from face value of the instrument and the remainder is equity.

    Why? That’s the way it is!

    2 – because the EFFECTIVE interest rate is 10% and that’s the TRUE cost of the borrowing. The reason we can get away with just PAYING 7% is that there is an equity element involved within the instrument

    Ok?

    March 24, 2014 at 4:02 am #162900
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    ok, thanks mike

    March 24, 2014 at 6:36 pm #162943
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    You’re welcome

    May 30, 2014 at 6:04 am #171810
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    Mike, why is the 1.05 subtracted in arriving at the 278?

    May 30, 2014 at 6:24 am #171812
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    Also, in Pingway (June /08) the interest payment in the SOPL is at the higher rate only (as opposed to Jedders (above) which uses the lower plus the higher rate).

    In these type of questions I am good up to the part of calculating the debt and equity component. After that (show how its accounted for in the SOPL & SOFP) is where I get confused.

    Please explain.Thanks.

    May 30, 2014 at 6:53 am #171813
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    Pingway’s finance cost answer just has the liability amt of $8,674,000 x 8%=693,920. It is done just as the example in the BPP text (liability element x higher interest rate). As such I don’t understand why in the Jedders answer (1st post but finance cost extract shown in this post also) all that extra working was done.

    SOPL (EXTRACT FROM JEDDERS)
    interest paid [7% x 15mil] + 278= 1,328
    working= [10% x 13.2795 mil] – 1.05 mil= 278

    nb:I should have added this in my previous post , I try to be as detailed and concise as possible in asking my questions. I apologize for the numerous posts but this situation has me very confused since its treated differently in these 2 questions.

    May 30, 2014 at 1:25 pm #171909
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    “Mike, why is the 1.05 subtracted in arriving at the 278?”

    “SOPL (EXTRACT FROM JEDDERS)
    interest paid [7% x 15mil] + 278= 1,328
    working= [10% x 13.2795 mil] – 1.05 mil= 278”

    Let’s deal with this one first

    The “correct” finance cost is 10% of the brought forward liability = 10% x 13,279,500 = an interest cost of 1,327,950

    But interest has actually been paid on the face value of the debt at the rate of 7% per annum. 7% x 15,000,000 = 1,050,000

    The debt brought forward of $13,279,500 has increased by the “real” rate of interest calculation $1,327,950 to $14,607,450 but interest has been paid amounting to 7% of the face value ($1,050,000) so the debt falls back by this amount to $13,557,450

    Pingway official solution, on the very last line…

    (“The interest cost in the income statement should be $693,920 ($8,674,000 x 8%), requiring an accrual of $393,920 (693·92 – 300 i.e. 10,000 x 3%). This accrual should be added to the carrying value of the debt”)…

    tells you the same as for Jedders. The true interest cost is 8% ($693,920 above) but the amount actually paid is 3% x $10,000 = $300,000

    So, take the present value of the obligation $8,674,000, add the true interest of $693,920 and deduct the interest actually paid $300,000. That will leave an obligation to carry forward of $9,067,920

    Is that ok or do you need more?

    May 30, 2014 at 4:54 pm #171941
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    I understand what was done in pingway but i still don’t understand why this was done in jedders….”working= [10% x 13.2795 mil] – 1.05 mil= 278?

    My working for jedders was 10% of the liability, $13,279,500= $1,327,950. If this is rounded off by the thousand, I would get $1,328 which is the same as what the answer has. So I’m wondering if what I did here is correct in arriving at the answer.

    May 30, 2014 at 7:09 pm #171980
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    It depends up to which point you are taking the calculation. If you are looking for the obligation to carry forward on the statement of financial position, then you need to deduct the interest actually paid.

    If you are looking to see how much should be the finance charge in the statement of income, you can arrive at that figure without deducting the interest actually paid

    ok?

    May 30, 2014 at 9:20 pm #172004
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    ok

    May 30, 2014 at 9:27 pm #172007
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    Good, and good luck next week

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