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- June 7, 2013 at 6:27 pm #130510
<cite>@julia888 said:</cite>
I do agree with you. The Q highlighted “listed” Company, so I suggest the sh.holders wealth is what examiner expected here. Anyway, I have stated two types of return – dvd & capital growth – as two main objectives. Therefore to achieve them company required to be profitable and liquidity also an issue (to be able to pay dvds), so positive NPV project – is a direct contribution to those objectivesactually liquidity is a financial objective since it ensures survival of the business in the short tem but how did u link is to the proposed investment?
June 7, 2013 at 6:32 pm #130513I thought that this paper was a lot more straightforward in the way the questions were asked than the last 2 sittings, I was really worried when I looked at Dec 12 and June 12 papers. I thought it was a decent paper, hopefully the study will have paid off and I will have scored enough to pass.
Good luck everyone who sat the paper today.
June 7, 2013 at 6:32 pm #130514Well actually i n calculating the EPS i made a big mistake and its that i deducted the dividend payment from the PAT and then divided the figure by 10m shares. well can any 1 say how many marks wud this mistake cost?
June 7, 2013 at 6:33 pm #130515I wrote the financial objectives of profit maximisation and growth/expansion,Positive NPv and higher market share
June 7, 2013 at 6:36 pm #130516AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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ok , my bad , preference shares SHOULD BE in the WACC calculations …….
so with this and bank loan being ommitted , i think i will lost up to 3-4 marks for that , oh well ……
but overall i still got a feel good thing on this paper , good luck everybody !
June 7, 2013 at 6:42 pm #130520the ques 4 part regarding the working capital policy i calculated the current operating cycle and then the revised operating cycle by recalculating a/c recv, payable and inv days.
Then i calculated the revised a/c recv, a/c pay and inv vales on the basis of the revised recv, pay and inv days.
My revised a/c recv days and inv days had shortened and the new a/c recv value had decreased. i calculated the amount of decrease in a/c recv and applied the 5% interest on it to calculate the finance cost saving. was this procedure correct?June 7, 2013 at 6:44 pm #130521<cite> @hassanatcams said:</cite>
Well actually i n calculating the EPS i made a big mistake and its that i deducted the dividend payment from the PAT and then divided the figure by 10m shares. well can any 1 say how many marks wud this mistake cost?I have the impression that this examiner does not give ANY points if you have mistaken something. My last sitting I had 48 points and I was expecting above 55 based on the marking scheme published, so I don’t think he awards any mark for partially done thing.
June 7, 2013 at 6:52 pm #130527Exam was fair but there was the issue of time constraint … want to say a big thank you to team OT and to the big guy John thanks a bunch …
June 7, 2013 at 7:00 pm #130528AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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npv
wacc..capm theory,
reciable collection,finance cost, policy to reciable managment
divident growth model,EPS,AND DIVIDENT MODEL APPLY ON Q
FOREIGN RISK MANAGMENTJune 7, 2013 at 7:02 pm #130529AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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sir john thanks alot for your great lectures….
June 7, 2013 at 7:06 pm #130532<cite> @hassanatcams said:</cite>
the ques 4 part regarding the working capital policy i calculated the current operating cycle and then the revised operating cycle by recalculating a/c recv, payable and inv days.
Then i calculated the revised a/c recv, a/c pay and inv vales on the basis of the revised recv, pay and inv days.
My revised a/c recv days and inv days had shortened and the new a/c recv value had decreased. i calculated the amount of decrease in a/c recv and applied the 5% interest on it to calculate the finance cost saving. was this procedure correct?correct but there was other finance cost savings
June 7, 2013 at 7:24 pm #130535i made all the correct calculations but made a mistake by choosing MMh rather than FMH as preferable..how many marks will i lose?
June 7, 2013 at 7:25 pm #130536<cite><a href=”https://opentuition.com/members/Lambyang
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1st question wacc 11.6%…am i right?i think i got d same ans
June 7, 2013 at 7:25 pm #130537My Answers.
Q1a – NPV postive approximately $4.5million. make sure you inflated selling price, variable cost and fixed costs from the first year onwards. tax and capital allowance one year in arrears with balancing addition in y5. scrap value in y4, working capital of 575 regained in y4. initial wc in y0 with additions in y1, y2 & y3.
Q1b – Nominal and real.
Nominal takes into account inflation and interest i.e. fisher effect, not actual cash flows. Real is the actual cash flows but does not take into account the time value of money. (this may be incorrect)Q1c – primary objective is maximizing shareholder wealth either through revenue or capital gains. secondary objective of a listed company is value for money. This would be the primary objective of a NFP.
Q2a – WACC was 11.24%.
Preference shares are included. 4% / 0.40$ = Kps 10%, market value 3000 * 0.40 = 1200
Bank loan 4% – 30% tax = Kd 2.8% = Bank loan = 1000
for OSC I do not remember.Q2b – CAPM can be used to find specific project Ke because the B can be manipulated and i.e. companies B’s in other fields can be ungeared and regeared to your capital structure to find your company specific Ke in that field.
Q2c – Ke is more expensive then Kd because of pecking theory. Equity shareholders are the last to get paid. Kd is usually also secured with either floating or fixed charges and perhaps a covenant of some type.
Q3a – WCC – 67 days after changes from 130 (or 140 days).
Extra financing cost I believe was $32000 (difference in overdraft * 5%, i believe i forgot to account for taxation savings here)
Q3b – Receivables policy – competition in industry, investment/risk wanted – longer rec. period more chances of bad debts, startups & small companies must give longer periods to lure customers, business environment – i.e. supermarket has little or no receivables, construction company has receivables which might be years old. aging analysis should be done etc and also the benefit of cash received must outweigh the cost of securing the payment.
Q3c – forex risk – The 3 risks for a multinational are translation, transaction and economic risk.
Q3d – forward market hedge was +2000$ more profitableQ4a – find share price in 2-3 years, discount back to current price. I suggested this was unsuitable because even though it would give future growth, it is signalling to shareholders their are underlying problems with the company. Furthermore, even though M&M stated that shareholders do not care between revenue and capital growth, revenue orientated shareholders will be driven away.
Q4b – EPS will rise but will dilute ownership pool
Q4c – Debt issue will give the best EPS and will not dilute ownership. Must take into account gearing of the company in order to ensure the new debt will not raise the cost of the Ke and therefore negate the savings of the lower Kd. Convertible debt should be considered since it is a form of delayed equity and will not affect currently the EPS.
Q4D – Venture capital / Traded Bonds / Equity Finance
VC – high risk / high reward, ke required of > 30%. not for listed companies. good for aggressive moves i.e. takeovers.
Equity finance – pecking theory states will require the highest return of all financing.
Bonds – usually secured with a floating or fixed charge or a covenant of some type, lowest cost of all three finance options here (i think maybe this is incorrect).June 7, 2013 at 7:28 pm #130538<cite> @bilal123123 said:</cite>
i made all the correct calculations but made a mistake by choosing MMh rather than FMH as preferable..how many marks will i lose?same mark as some1 who forgot to give an opinion ( me) on the preferable method xD
probably 1 point for FMH
2 points for MMH since u need to explain the steops
and 1 mark for opnion i guessJune 7, 2013 at 7:32 pm #130541<cite> @semreh said:</cite>
My Answers.Q1a – NPV postive approximately $4.5million. make sure you inflated selling price, variable cost and fixed costs from the first year onwards. tax and capital allowance one year in arrears with balancing addition in y5. scrap value in y4, working capital of 575 regained in y4. initial wc in y0 with additions in y1, y2 & y3.
Q1b – Nominal and real.
Nominal takes into account inflation and interest i.e. fisher effect, not actual cash flows. Real is the actual cash flows but does not take into account the time value of money. (this may be incorrect)Q1c – primary objective is maximizing shareholder wealth either through revenue or capital gains. secondary objective of a listed company is value for money. This would be the primary objective of a NFP.
Q2a – WACC was 11.24%.
Preference shares are included. 4% / 0.40$ = Kps 10%, market value 3000 * 0.40 = 1200
Bank loan 4% – 30% tax = Kd 2.8% = Bank loan = 1000
for OSC I do not remember.Q2b – CAPM can be used to find specific project Ke because the B can be manipulated and i.e. companies B’s in other fields can be ungeared and regeared to your capital structure to find your company specific Ke in that field.
Q2c – Ke is more expensive then Kd because of pecking theory. Equity shareholders are the last to get paid. Kd is usually also secured with either floating or fixed charges and perhaps a covenant of some type.
Q3a – WCC – 67 days after changes from 130 (or 140 days).
Extra financing cost I believe was $32000 (difference in overdraft * 5%, i believe i forgot to account for taxation savings here)
Q3b – Receivables policy – competition in industry, investment/risk wanted – longer rec. period more chances of bad debts, startups & small companies must give longer periods to lure customers, business environment – i.e. supermarket has little or no receivables, construction company has receivables which might be years old. aging analysis should be done etc and also the benefit of cash received must outweigh the cost of securing the payment.
Q3c – forex risk – The 3 risks for a multinational are translation, transaction and economic risk.
Q3d – forward market hedge was +2000$ more profitableQ4a – find share price in 2-3 years, discount back to current price. I suggested this was unsuitable because even though it would give future growth, it is signalling to shareholders their are underlying problems with the company. Furthermore, even though M&M stated that shareholders do not care between revenue and capital growth, revenue orientated shareholders will be driven away.
Q4b – EPS will rise but will dilute ownership pool
Q4c – Debt issue will give the best EPS and will not dilute ownership. Must take into account gearing of the company in order to ensure the new debt will not raise the cost of the Ke and therefore negate the savings of the lower Kd. Convertible debt should be considered since it is a form of delayed equity and will not affect currently the EPS.
Q4D – Venture capital / Traded Bonds / Equity Finance
VC – high risk / high reward, ke required of > 30%. not for listed companies. good for aggressive moves i.e. takeovers.
Equity finance – pecking theory states will require the highest return of all financing.
Bonds – usually secured with a floating or fixed charge or a covenant of some type, lowest cost of all three finance options here (i think maybe this is incorrect).congratulations u passed 😀
however for the question of why ke is greater than kd, u said becuz if pecking order thoery ? :O isnt it just a preference for sources of finance?June 7, 2013 at 7:39 pm #130546Ke is unsecured so there is a risk/reward demand there that Kd does not have. Kd will be paid its interest, then tax, then preference shares and everybody else (all prior charge capitals) and whatever is left, if there is anything left will go to Ke and Ret. Earnings.
Ke is the last in line to get any money in the form of dividends so they expect a higher return because of the greater risk.
June 7, 2013 at 8:14 pm #130554yeah ques 3 and 4 were tricky, i also re calculated overdraft…
June 7, 2013 at 8:18 pm #130555<cite> @icedawn said:</cite>
congratulations u passed 😀
however for the question of why ke is greater than kd, u said becuz if pecking order thoery ? :O isnt it just a preference for sources of finance?my money mrket hedge was more profitable…:;p
June 7, 2013 at 8:18 pm #130556i really despise this paper. I am sick of this garbage for a paper ACCA has. I mean most of these things in the syllabus would not even be used in the real world…
I failed this paper 3 times already only paper i ever failed for ACCA (finger cross) even finished P papers and not this F9. I think i did well for the first 3 questions , but Question 4 really sucker punch me and now i doubt i would gain a 50 overall cause i only attempted part of this question.
June 7, 2013 at 8:20 pm #130558Why in Q1 it was said that the machine was sold after the year 4? Does it make any difference with replaced for example?
June 7, 2013 at 8:34 pm #130560<cite>@thebear said:</cite>
according to my study text , BPP already give a reminder that the preference shares should not be included in the WACC calculationsto quote chapter 15 , page 302 of the study text by BPP
” when calculating the weighted average cost of capital , the cost of preference shares is a separate component and should not combined with the cost of debt and cost of equity “
I may be mistaken but sure Pref.shares are included in wacc calcs
June 7, 2013 at 8:42 pm #130561<cite> @tornado said:</cite>
Did anyone NOT inflate due to that was asked only the NOMINAL and the real?I didn’t. !!!!!! I thought papr said nominal rate specifically in the info and the question
June 7, 2013 at 8:45 pm #130563<cite> @skay123 said:</cite>
Hi guys,
In the WACC calc….working out the cost of the redeemable loan note ……in the irr calc for df@5%and 10% for both Npv I got was negative…did anyone get this or maybe I went wrong with the calculator….????.?I got that but the 5% was so close to zero I decided it rounded to 5% in the end!!!!!
June 7, 2013 at 8:48 pm #130564– it was just under 5% if i remeber, i did 10% and 5% and then i also did 4%.
– paper asked for nominal. - AuthorPosts
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