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- June 15, 2012 at 7:03 pm #100519
@olaf said:
For question 1 I disregarded fixed costs as there was nothing mentioned about them that they are additional (incremental) fixed costs.
I was wondering about that but all the practise questions I did there was clearly mentioned about FC. Here they seemed to me irrelevant.
Anyway at the end of the day it’s probably 1/2 mark for including them, I stated the comment why I didn’t take them into account….question 1 stated that fixed cost are relative 2 projrct….
June 15, 2012 at 7:06 pm #100520@imtired said:
For qn 1b) did anyone realized the qn saying: machine 2 costs has included inflation? Since we r using nominal rate, does this means machine 1 we also have to include inflation?Exactly that’s why I used 7% for EAC calculation….not sure if it was correct but I was wondering about that as well and finally decided to use 7%.
In my opinion the sentence to ignore taxation and capital allowance was for maintenance costs that if there was not this sentence they would require tax deduction.June 15, 2012 at 7:11 pm #100521@olaf said:
Exactly that’s why I used 7% for EAC calculation….not sure if it was correct but I was wondering about that as well and finally decided to use 7%.
In my opinion the sentence to ignore taxation and capital allowance was for maintenance costs that if there was not this sentence they would require tax deduction.I used 12% though. I didnt use the figure there. I dunno how i calculated another set of figures out and stating that the fig must include inflation. This qn really stunned me wif two sets of wacc
June 15, 2012 at 7:22 pm #100522@angusyiu said:
the difference for mine is more than that. By the way, did you guys divided the annual borrow rate/deposit rate to get 6 mth rate for your calculation?? I think we have to?hey yes u had to divided
the rate. the rates given were for the entire yearJune 15, 2012 at 7:26 pm #100523@olaf said:
For question 1 I disregarded fixed costs as there was nothing mentioned about them that they are additional (incremental) fixed costs.
I was wondering about that but all the practise questions I did there was clearly mentioned about FC. Here they seemed to me irrelevant.
Anyway at the end of the day it’s probably 1/2 mark for including them, I stated the comment why I didn’t take them into account….the question did mention it was related to the operation
June 15, 2012 at 8:25 pm #100524Hello everyone,
Too much to write in a short time.20 min left for Q4 and it was a mess in a hurry.
1)which formula of dividend used,what growth rate used.one thing i used was a total dividends in year 2.
2)and one thing i didnt understood was how to find out variance and transaction costs for miller Or model i left this Q.
3)both wacc with the values given no ungearing.used capm for ke value.June 15, 2012 at 9:06 pm #100525Test not too bad, Islamic finance new topic so had to be expected,wish i had read the article on ACCA website a couple more times.I suppose the dividend growth model question in Q4 was a matter Of using Yr 2 dividend and then discounting the answer at a year 1 discount ?
June 15, 2012 at 9:10 pm #100526hi guys, there was no ungear nor degearing, the inf was all there
cost of equity was 12% in first instance and 14% in second, i hope i am right.
exams was not bad needed more time.June 16, 2012 at 1:45 am #100527@aneelraja said:
Hello everyone,
Too much to write in a short time.20 min left for Q4 and it was a mess in a hurry.
1)which formula of dividend used,what growth rate used.one thing i used was a total dividends in year 2.
2)and one thing i didnt understood was how to find out variance and transaction costs for miller Or model i left this Q.
3)both wacc with the values given no ungearing.used capm for ke value.1. I used total dividend of years 3. may be the formula will be
1000*1.03 / .12-.03
2. Didnt u see the formula in the last page? requirement was .. a)return point and upper limit.
3. yea I also used camp . current ke may be 12 , and previous years 14. (if im not wrong)
🙁 pray for me .June 16, 2012 at 1:51 am #100528it was standard question paper . Made some silly mistakes. Hope examiner will understand my situation .:( pray for me guys.
June 16, 2012 at 4:15 am #100529@alokito said:
1. I used total dividend of years 3. may be the formula will be
1000*1.03 / .12-.03
2. Didnt u see the formula in the last page? requirement was .. a)return point and upper limit.
3. yea I also used camp . current ke may be 12 , and previous years 14. (if im not wrong)
🙁 pray for me .i did same with you for 1 & 3.. 🙂
June 16, 2012 at 5:24 am #100530Anonymous
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hi every one! can anyone plz tell me wht rate was to use in Q#1, is it 7% post tax or is it 12% pre tax? plz tell me wht rate was suppose to use in Investment Appraisal and in EAC?
Thnxx…
June 16, 2012 at 5:53 am #100531Anonymous
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4a part dvm was quite simple. we just hav to multiply the total earnings into pe ratio to get the value of company
June 16, 2012 at 5:59 am #100532Anonymous
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was it as simple as if industry P/E ratio was 5 and Company earnings was 3000,
3000 x 5 = 15000 Value of company…..June 16, 2012 at 6:25 am #100533Q4
For people complaining about no dividends in the current year. Remember the dividend for the 2nd year were given.
And remember that DVM formula in which Do(1+g) = D1
so you were already given the D1 value 😀
June 16, 2012 at 6:34 am #100534Anonymous
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i made a mistake in q 1 part 2 in asset replacement question where i did not include initial investment.. ohh my stupidity .. but i wander if they give marks for steps in f9 ?? for may be for just putting the cost or putting annuty factor and so on ?
June 16, 2012 at 7:29 am #100535Anonymous
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Could anyone upload the F9 questions June 2012? I need the marks for each question and for each subquestions.
June 16, 2012 at 8:03 am #100536I was thinking last night, do you find it odd that a good few people on this board struggled with the discount rate in Q1?
I went 7% part a 12% part b, mainly due to the fact tax was part of the NPV calculation and i assumed the rate of 12% cost of capital covered tax, hence using it in a would have applied a taz cost twice
June 16, 2012 at 8:37 am #100538Anonymous
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the p/e qn required us to compute the current earnings given the earnings of 3 prior years. earnings thus grew by by the square root of 4300/3000)-1 which gave me about 19.6percent. used that to compute the current earnings and multiplied the earnings by 5 to get the mkt value
June 16, 2012 at 8:37 am #100539Anonymous
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the p/e qn required us to compute the current earnings given the earnings of 3 prior years. earnings thus grew by by the square root of 4300/3000)-1 which gave me about 19.6percent. used that to compute the current earnings and multiplied the earnings by 5 to get the mkt value
June 16, 2012 at 8:56 am #100541I must’ve sat another ACCA F9 exam as the exam I sat was hard and lengthy, not what I consider a fair exam to even come close to finish and do well! Devastated!
Not a good feeling for 2nd attempt!! 🙁June 16, 2012 at 2:01 pm #100542Anonymous
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Hello Everyone i just want to comment regarding Q.1 for the calculation of npv i used after tax rate of 7 % the reason being that in WACC there r 2 components Ke & Kd in case of Ke there is no tax but in Case of Kd it is tax deductible thus for npv calculation i took 7 % rate after tax…. however in part b asset replacement Qs…
i used 12% the reason being that it explicitly stated that ignore tax & capital allowance….thus i used 12 % before tax so do comment whether it was logical or not….. thanks…..
In Q4 i did make a blunder i took year 3 dividend value & use that in dvm formula & got an utterly ocnfusing figure 1444444… something like that…. but hoefully i might get 2.5/4 as i correctly calculated Ke…..June 16, 2012 at 2:07 pm #100543Anonymous
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Hi for Q4 did anyone get Ke= 12%, WACC= 10% and new Ke = 14% and new WACC = 10.3%? Thanks
June 16, 2012 at 2:16 pm #100544Anonymous
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Oh my God,I used before tax cost of capital for NPV?So my answer is wrong.How many mark will loose?
Quote:June 16, 2012 at 2:17 pm #100545hello again,
i do understand the the rest, but to calculate the spread u need variance of cash flow, transaction costs and interest rate . And either i was stupid or i was confused but i didnt saw these figures any where in the question.
And i am more confused because it was an easy Q (if i had the figures). - AuthorPosts
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