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- December 4, 2013 at 5:35 pm #150278
Out by Β£100 on the cashflow π
December 4, 2013 at 5:35 pm #150279Q2 didnt say if the revenue, costs, profits etc were included in revenue and cos. when it came to PUP in q 1 i couldnt figure if the 1.5m cost was based on the 9m or the older cost. time apportionment in consolidation i did included and also the retained earnings at acquisition. it was a struggle against time!
December 4, 2013 at 5:38 pm #150281My goodwill came out at Β£7,600 I think but I included contingent consideration as a current liability!!!
December 4, 2013 at 5:40 pm #150282@Frank I am probably going to kick myself and hopefully the answers someone gives will give me a “Graham you are an idiot moment’, so I worked out my goodwill based on the shares (SC $6000/50P = 12000 shares, 75% 9000 shares X Β£1.35 then added my contigent consideration [mistake?] deducted my share capital, and my fair value movement my pre aq I worked it out this way I can’t recall the specifics
R/E as per BS it was definately a positive figure, I deducted by PNL which was -Β£4600 deducted that off my RE @ Y/E to get my opening R/E then said Opening Retain Earnings + (-$4,600/12×6)
December 4, 2013 at 5:46 pm #150285AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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30 Sep 13 retained earnings were +12000
6 monts pre acq loss was -something/2 included in 12000 so need to add them back
This way I concuded to retained earnings 14something at the date of acq :/ :/December 4, 2013 at 5:47 pm #150287AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Have got a negative goodwill of $3400.
Pup $900
Added contingent consideration in current liabilitiesCan any1 confirm these answers?
December 4, 2013 at 5:47 pm #150288Shit – school boy error…..
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I got my goodwill at -3700. Did anyone get that figure? I just hope for a 50 for this paper. Aiks.
December 4, 2013 at 5:50 pm #150291Bugger you are totally right, surely that’ll only be 2 marks for getting the Goodwill wrong when everything else balanced?
December 4, 2013 at 5:52 pm #150293@simona121:
You mixed up Q3 and Q4. Q3 was about cashflows whereas Q4 was about qualitative characteristics and leases.
Q4, a: there are 2 fundamental characteristics: relevance and faithful representation.
There are 4 enhancing qualitative characteristics: comparability, verifiability, timeliness and understandability.
I didn’t answer what the difference between fundamental and enhancing characteristics is, but I just checked my book and it says that the enhancing characteristics are implied by faithful representation.
Q4, b, i) as you point out, this was a secured loan. I believe Q4, b, ii was an operational lease since the risk was transferred and there was no obligation to buy back the property and no incentive to do so (i.e. they would have to buy it at fair value).
Q5 was not about EPS… π It was… again about leases.
There was an operational lease. a) required you to explain how to account for it (in words) [4 points] and b) asked you to state quantitatively the impact on the financial statements [6 points]
December 4, 2013 at 5:55 pm #150294@ grahamdchild, I may be wrong but i think we had to add the PNL of $4600 to the R/E as per BS to get R/E b/f in the goodwill calc.
my reasoning was,
1. to get the R/E per BS at year end the PNL must have been deducted from the R/E b/f to arrive at that figure. so to get the R/E b/f i had to add it back on.then i also time apportioned the Loss for the year to get that pre acq loss on date of acquision.
i may be wrong but it made though
i had something like
FV of SNA @DOA
share…………………………………………………………….6000
fv adjst. ……………………………………………………………2000
ret.earns b/f……………………………………………………….xxxx …..( dont remember figure but R/E per BS – PNL of 4600)
ret earns/Lossfor 6months ……………4600/2……(3200)something like that
December 4, 2013 at 5:55 pm #150295was it 1.50 or 1.35 cash per share?
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Pup plz in q1?? And the intra group sales to be eliminated?
December 4, 2013 at 5:56 pm #150297Frank you are totally right, it was such small oversight at my end…. so even though I balanced – I balanced with an error hopefully I won’t forfeit to many marks
December 4, 2013 at 5:57 pm #150298Cosmic, I got my Pup to Β£600, and I think I removed 9K or 8K from Revenue and Cos, can’t remember
December 4, 2013 at 5:58 pm #150299More on Q5: it was an operational lease for 20 years started 12 years ago. The tennent made substantial improvements for 7 million. And there will be costs in the future (in 8 years) to convert it back. The present value is 5 million.
The questions asked how to treat the lease, the building works and the costs to convert back.
In my opinion, the solution is to add 7 and 5 together (12) and charge deprecation over the remaining 8 years, i.e. 12/8 = 1.5 m per year. Then you also had to pay the operational lease (400k per year or so).
Statement of financial position:
assets:
12 – 1.5 depreciation = 10.5I’m not sure if this is correct though…
One thing that’s not clear to me whether the discount on the 5 m has to be unwound.
I’m also not sure if capitalising the 5m was correct, although I believe it is. Or should it have been charged as a provision to liabilities. Hmm, yeah, maybe.
I guess the 5m should have been a provision and it should have been increased every year by unwinding the discount. But only the 8% interest figure was given, so figuring out the discount isn’t that easy (definitely possible tho).
December 4, 2013 at 6:00 pm #150300AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Frank…to confirm…
Pre acq = $14,300
Post acq losses $2300 and had to be adjusted for the add dep and pupDecember 4, 2013 at 6:01 pm #150301This paper was relatively easy compared to other pass papers i have seen as this mainly calculation less commentory once you know what to go where you should pass it.
with that said however i can say i completely failed this one! contigent asset many would say was the trick but i believe i was correct in using the 1.5 instead of the 1.8. there was a loss on the retained earnings for the year so between it and the negative goodwill i dont know. then the negative goodwill should be canceled from retained earnings the only example i did with negative good will it was deducted from operating expenses in the P& L so what did i do with it. just made a note. how does the negative good will affect the value of the NCI.
i failed this paper miserably. i didnt time aporation the post acq ret ears. didnt share good will. if i getQ2 – so i know a bit about construction contract but how much did i do on the paper – (not muc)
Income tax – it was a struggle while i was studying it but then i thought i finally got it then the examiner comes and gives it in a different way ok so maybe i could have calculated the reval surplus first then deduct the $24m i dont know or should i just say 25% of the 24m will is tax base (SEE MY PROBLEM)Q3 – so every question i have practiced had a increase in rec, inv and maybe payables and an increase in reval of ppe now this exam they had to come with a reduction in all areas! (HUH)
i wont even mention 4 and 5 they are basically lease questions if you had time left from doing the three killers then you could work on those.
December 4, 2013 at 6:03 pm #150302If anyone looked at technical articles, there were a few articles on leases!
December 4, 2013 at 6:03 pm #150303yea but that only 1 or 2 marks m8 so you can still pass, i dont remember my sofp balancing though, i think i was out by about 3570 so i left it hanging for the marker to do his/her job, got pissed…
@Cosmic89 i think i got PuP of 600
my profit % was 40% Grossso 1.5 x 40%
also had to add back the difference in the contigent consideration to P’s earnings when working out cons R/E
December 4, 2013 at 6:07 pm #150305AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Thanks frank..i think got my pup wrong then since the majority saying 600 π
Have added the decrease in the calculation for consolidated REDecember 4, 2013 at 6:09 pm #150306In q5 it said that the lease was an operating lease, but looking at the question to me it sounded more like a finance lease, so I said that the lease needs to be reclassified and depreciated like a finance lease
December 4, 2013 at 6:10 pm #150307I’m not sure but I thought the restoration costs in Q5 met the definition of a liability so put in NCL and unwound 1 years discount, added it on to the liability and charged the unwound discount to SPL.
I found the exam quite hard, especially time wise. Like someone else said there seemed barely any time to think but I answered all questions apart from most of the rising prices bit in Q3 so lost 5 or 6 marks there. Nothing balanced but I still think (hope!) that I’ve done enough to pass.
December 4, 2013 at 6:11 pm #150310worst paper ever, guys. i could not find anything related to sale and purchase back of that laidwood (whatever) in books. i was totally blank on q5 couldnt even understand what to do, just mentioned expense the expenses thats all. :/. a negative goodwill, up till now it was only tested in P2 and examiner gave us in F7, totally screwed that part of mine. Q2. damn, where the hell did the examiner get that from :/.
December 4, 2013 at 6:11 pm #150311I didnt even attempt Q4 and Q5… Wasted a lot of time on Q2
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