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Oh and the question on training or development what was the correct answer to that
The controls question was system controls (can’t remember if I said systems or operational) but I checked the text and it is definitely systems. As for the training question, I thought it was unfairly obscure. The recipients were referred to as trainees but were sent away to engage in general leadership exercises and then sent to acquire skills that did not relate to their job but would generally enhance them and may be useful in the future. The text book says:
“Training is the planned and systematic modification of behaviour through learning events…which enables individuals achieve the level of knowledge, skills and competencies to carry out their work effectively”
“Development includes a range of learning activities and experiences to enhance employees’ portfolio of competence, experience and capabilities, with a view to personal, professional, or career progression.”
The second one sounds a lot like what was being offered but was it TRAINING courses to help develop that was being described, or DEVELOPMENT itself being described?
I really don’t know. I don’t think it is fair to ask a multiple choice question that is actually a debatable issue. You could debate either way in a good essay. I think it is unfair to ask a Multiple choice question that isn’t 100% correct with three 100% wrong answers. Basically you may well be right, BUT not right enough???
What did other people choose?
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For the internal contro i chose system audit… In kaplan books it said system audit are used to do evaluation of internal control. As for the other question very long one, i chose training.
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There are quite a number of questions with 2 very possible answers to the question. And alot of mental energy consumed throughout the entire exam. Its indeed testing alot on our intelligence and intellectuality and our flexibility in thinking. I wonder why some people said the paper was easy. Or am i too lowly intellectual? I studied on my own with only kaplan text and exam kit. And i am working full time. I should had bought the kaplan pocket notes for revision. Anyway its too late crying spilled milk now…. I just hope i get a pass.
Here was another one. There was a question about what is an “Economically sustainable product”? Now there were some options about environmental impacts but I chose the one that said something like – a product that would continue to sell for a long time (something like that). I guessed the point was to fool us with the word sustainable and its obvious “Green” common usage. That was my guess anyway.
But here is the thing, I had never heard the term before, so I googled it. I can’t find it anywhere as any sort of standard or recognisable term. It seems like something that was a bit made up. So there was a question to define something that isn’t even properly defined in reality.
Am I wrong? Is anyone else familiar with the term?
I opted for the answer that they make a product that will last I think it was answer A but I agree a very confusing question. I studied by myself also but the Kaplan pocket notes were not very different to the book so don’t beat yourself up about not having them cheesecake. I just wondering nor for F4 if I should go with another learning provider as I think the exam kit from Kaplan should have reflected some of the question types we got in the exam. I thought I was doing well by practicing the kit and I was prepared but that was not the case. Would bpp be a better option next time
@ smokes2k6, @srushe01, @cheesecake, @garish31,
Does anyone know if I can send personal messages to people who are registered on this forum? I wanted to write out all the questions I can remember (roughly 45) with my answers and send them to people. I thought some people would like to see them and I was hoping they would then comment and send back. But to do it I probably have to send a Word document in an email. So can we just post our personal email addresses or is there another way to send personal messages directly on this site?Ok so i’m reading all the comments very interesting.for the question of threats to fundamental principles i would that should be self interest since self interest says that the threat that a financial or other interest will inappropriately influence the professional accountants judgement or behaviour
Pauld123 my email is shaunalush@hotmail.com. What papers are you doing next session. I was going to take f4 and f5 and not sure to go with bpp this time or stay with Kaplan.
the question with Mary & Jonny neither of them should be on two committies since this poses a threat to the independence of NED
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Hi everyone, hope to write f1,f2 and f3 on or before june 2013.
hey pauld123. Can you please email me the questions. My mail id is ammadey21@gmail.com. I will give you my suggestions as well. Thanks!!
Everyone, Thanks for the emails. It will take aday or two to get them all typed up then I will send them toyou. I am to have the document ready by Friday.
Paul
I don’t think self interest was one of the options for the self-threat. I think the options were Advocacy, Intimidation, Self-review, and Familarity. There was no hint of familiarity, they didn’t offer advocacy, and as there were no additional services (e.g. consultancy, tax calculation, internal audit), there could be no fear of having to review themselves as part of external audit.
But I agree that I had expected an option to be about protecting fees. I just don’t remember it being there.
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@ smokes2k6, @srushe01, @cheesecake, @garish31,
Does anyone know if I can send personal messages to people who are registered on this forum? I wanted to write out all the questions I can remember (roughly 45) with my answers and send them to people. I thought some people would like to see them and I was hoping they would then comment and send back. But to do it I probably have to send a Word document in an email. So can we just post our personal email addresses or is there another way to send personal messages directly on this site?my email address: xuc_jessie@yahoo.com.cn.
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Hi pauld123 can you send me questions too? Thank you! alina_nr_1@yahoo.com
hi paul123,could you also kindly send the questions to me,email: sam_919@ymail.com
I have sent everyone, who requested it, an email with my document about the test. If you do not get it then let me know and I will try again
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Dear @Pauld123, can you send me an e-mail too. slngtod@yahoo.com
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I have sent everyone, who requested it, an email with my document about the test. If you do not get it then let me know and I will try again- Topics: 0
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Dear Pauld123, can you send me an e-mail too, i am very interested. My e-mail is slngtod@yahoo.com Thank you.
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I have sent everyone, who requested it, an email with my document about the test. If you do not get it then let me know and I will try againHi Paul. my e-mail is dmpandit95@gmail.com. Please send me the F1 questions for the Dec “12 exam. Also, can you please send the F2 and F3 questions for the Dec “12 exam?
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