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Examiner’s mistake Dec 07 Exam Answers

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  • This topic has 7 replies, 2 voices, and was last updated 13 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • February 20, 2012 at 5:29 pm #51566
    AmbitiousMe
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    I refer to answer of Q1 workings (vi) and (vii) December 2007 exam answers. I strongly believe there is a mistake made here. Correct calculations should be:

    Consolidated retained earnings: $’000
    Plateau’s retained earnings: 24,000
    Savannah’s post-acquisition ((2,900 – 300 URP + 100 excess depreciation) x 75%): 2,025
    Axle’s post-acquisition profits (5,000 x 30%): 1,500
    URP in plant, Examiner is wrong here should be -500 included here and +100 above in S’s post acq : (500)
    Gain on available-for-sale investment (9,000 – 6,500): 2,500
    Impairment of goodwill: (900)
    –––––––
    Total : 28,625

    Minority interest
    Adjusted equity at 30 September 2007: (12,900 – 300 URP + 100 excess depreciation) = 12,700 x 25% :),175
    –––––

    Any help will be greatly appreciated.

    February 23, 2012 at 7:44 am #94706
    MikeLittle
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    Hi

    I mention in my audio answers and in the lectures this “strange” treatment by the examiner, BPP and Kaplan. And they appear to me to be inconsistent in their treatment! This “weird” thinking leaves me speechless. From a purely conceptual point of view, the seller has recorded the ( unrealised ) profit and the buyer has charged ( excess ) depreciation on the grossed up cost.

    The only common sense approach is to eliminate the pup from the seller’s retained earnings and add back the excess depreciation to the retained earnings of the buyer.

    I’ve said, earlier, that those more knowledgeable than me appear to treat the problem in an inconsistent manner. There is, presumably, some justification for that inconsistency – but I don’t know what it is! Sorry not to be able to be more specific / helpful / enlightening 🙁

    February 24, 2012 at 12:21 pm #94707
    AmbitiousMe
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    Thanks for your reply.

    February 24, 2012 at 5:15 pm #94708
    MikeLittle
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    No problem

    February 29, 2012 at 3:05 pm #94709
    AmbitiousMe
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    Mike

    I think I have found the answer to presumed justification. And it is:

    Depreciation based on the new carrying value is in effect a realisation of the unrealised profit through use and therefore reduces the consolidation adjustment.
    The working is

    Unrealised profit on transfer X
    Less: proportion depreciated by year end (X)
    X

    Adj in the books of the company making the sale:

    DR Retained Earnings
    CR PPE

    March 1, 2012 at 1:11 pm #94710
    MikeLittle
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    Ah, maybe! there is a certain logic to it. What is the reference ie where did you find this justification?

    March 1, 2012 at 3:27 pm #94711
    AmbitiousMe
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    BPP ran a refresher course last weekend for P2 students here in Ireland. I signed up for that course just to find out the answer to my this particular problem. Before I had got a chance to ask the tutor, he explained the topic. In his lecture, he did say that it used to be the way, but with the revision of the Standard, excess depreciation method was discontinued. Please see attached page of course note.

    March 1, 2012 at 5:04 pm #94712
    MikeLittle
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    OK, all you interested students. It appears that there has been a change – hopefully recent! – in that it is now acceptable for the NET pup to be adjusted in the seller’s records.

    I don’t know whether this is required or merely acceptable – I’m trying to find out and will let you know as soon as I find anything for sure

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