effective futures rate and expected futures price

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January 22, 2024 at 2:18 pm #698845
vdfb
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Hello,
why is there a difference between effective futures rate and expected futures price?
I see in some questions to find the effective futures rate we do: opening FUTURE – closing basis
Some other questions I see: SPOT RATE (+increase predicted) – closing basis.
Isn’t it better to use the futures rate and add the predicted increase then minus closing basis?
Because the futures price isn’t really the spot rate + increase…
I am not sure if my question is very clear…
I just don’t know when to use which…
Thanks for the help
January 22, 2024 at 7:52 pm #698880
John Moffat
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Have you watched my free lectures on this?
You can always start with the current futures price of with the current spot rate – the answer will always be the same.
January 23, 2024 at 7:36 am #698908
vdfb
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Hello
yes I watched them although I am not sure I understand your answer above..
spot rate + increase – closing basis is not equal to futures rate + increase – closing basis
to find the effective futures rate I don’t understand how the spot rate can be used (except in the remaining basis calculation).
January 23, 2024 at 8:35 am #698914
vdfb
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Nevermind, I think I figured it out. Its because interest rate futures move with the spot rate. Which is not the case of all futures, that is why we see both ways of calculating the effective rate
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