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disclosure audit

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  • This topic has 10 replies, 2 voices, and was last updated 9 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • August 14, 2015 at 6:11 pm #267214
    ASHOK
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    sir i am totally confused about how to audit disclosure ,i have asked you many times,i am asking you again hope you will explain me

    in IFRS 5 assets held for sale should be disclosed in the statement of financial statement

    and discontinued operation should be disclosed in the statement of comprehensive income statement

    is these are disclosed by notes to account ? or they are only presented ?
    and how to audit this?

    August 14, 2015 at 6:57 pm #267218
    MikeLittle
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    Ashok, I’m sorry if I haven’t previously answered you to your satisfaction.. I did try.

    First, let’s deal with one or two “wrong” words that you have used

    A statement formerly known as a balance sheet is now referred to as a Statement of Financial POSITION, not a statement of financial statement

    “Disclosed” implies inclusion within the NOTES to the financial statements and does not imply that the matter is dealt with numerically neither “in the statement of financial statement” nor in “the statement of comprehensive income statement”

    Under IFRS 5 an asset previously held for the long term but that is now re-classified as “held for sale” (or indeed an asset that has been recently acquired with the intention of short term sale) will be shown in the Statement of Financial Position as a separate category of asset

    Under the same IFRS the EFFECT of having disposed of an element of the business falling within the definition of a material separately identifiable geographical area of operations or activities will be reflected / accounted for as a discontinued operation within the statement of comprehensive income

    There will, in addition, probably be full disclosure of the DETAIL of that reclassification, disposal or discontinuance in the notes to the financial statements

    As for auditing these matters ……. you need to ascertain amongst other matters:

    completeness, accuracy, materiality, consistency (of treatment when compared with other similar activities in times gone by)

    You would also discuss with management, review board minutes, assess how fair values have been arrived at, check additions and calculations, confirm the consideration received on the discontinuance, confirm accuracy and completeness of accounting records, confirm the adequacy of the disclosure of any / all relevant details concerning the reclassification of the AHFS and the suitability of disclosure of the discontinuance.

    Basically, Ashok, you would institute audit procedures for these matters in exactly the same way that you would for any amounts / disclosures about any other figures in the financial statements

    Does that do it for you this time?

    August 14, 2015 at 11:02 pm #267230
    ASHOK
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    thank you sir ,very much ,this is my satisfactory answer ,i want you to check me

    suppose i want to have audit evidence of disclosure in relation to assets held for sale

    and the evidience are
    1 copy of statement of financial position where assets held for sale is separately classified as assets held for sale
    2copy of financial statement having full disclosure by notes of assets held for sale
    3enquires of management reasons to sale,asking whether they are actively searching for buyers
    4copy of board minutes having decision to sell
    5management representation that they will sell the assets

    is my evidence ok or not ? please tell me

    is my evidience good ?

    August 15, 2015 at 12:12 am #267232
    MikeLittle
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    Your evidence is fine – but you could have included other matters such as “evidence that the calculations have been made according to IAS ? IFRS”

    “Evidence of fair values provided by external independent experts”

    “A record of the discussions with management and the conclusions reached as a result of those discussions”

    In addition “Enquiries of management” is NOT evidence. To convert the point into evidence you need “a record of enquiries of management and their responses”

    There is a BIG, HUGE difference between “State the further audit procedures that you would recommend” compared with “What evidence would you expect to find on the audit file”

    If you these two confused, you will not score for any such as your “enquires of management reasons to sale,asking whether they are actively searching for buyers” because that’s more in the nature of a procedure than evidence that you should expect to find

    “Evidence” is using nouns where as “procedures” uses verbs

    OK?

    August 15, 2015 at 4:47 am #267237
    ASHOK
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    thank you very much sir ,the best answer that i got from you

    August 15, 2015 at 5:06 am #267238
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    you said this is audit procedure ( enquires of management reasons to sale,asking whether they are actively searching for buyers)

    please make it evidence

    August 15, 2015 at 7:12 am #267245
    MikeLittle
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    “A copy of correspondence with prospective purchasers”

    “A copy of (or a record of) any advertisements placed by the company in their efforts to sell the affected asset”

    August 16, 2015 at 5:00 am #267359
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    thank you very much sir ,

    August 16, 2015 at 10:20 pm #267451
    MikeLittle
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    You’re welcome

    September 5, 2015 at 10:38 am #269914
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    finally is there any difference between notes to the statement of financial position and notes to the statement of profit and loss and other comprehensive income ?

    September 5, 2015 at 4:00 pm #269958
    MikeLittle
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    They are both described within the one heading “Notes to the financial statements”

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