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- October 9, 2014 at 2:18 pm #203981
Good day sir,
I came across this example in Kaplan under appraising international investments using NPV method. the investment was tax allowable and the depreciation method used was straight line. the depreciation charges were subtracted from the operating flows before calculating the tax on operating profits and were later on added back to get the net flows before discounting. i don’t quite understand why this is done this way. i would also like to know whether this was done this way because the question said the investment is tax allowable or can we still use the normal method where the tax on the operating flows is calculated and the the tax relief on the investment added to get the net operating flows before discounting
thank youOctober 9, 2014 at 5:32 pm #204023Firstly, because of the title you gave this post, ‘tax allowable depreciation’ and ‘capital allowances’ both mean exactly the same thing.
You are always told the method (usually it is reducing balance, but sometimes it is straight line).With regard to how to deal with them, there are two approaches – both of which will give the same final answer.
On way is to subtract the allowances to get the taxable profit, then calculate the tax, then add back the allowances because they are not themselves a cash flow.
The other way (and usually much the better, quicker, and safer way) is to calculate the tax on the cash flows (without subtracting allowances) and then separately calculate the tax that will be saved because of the allowances.
This second way is the way I do it in my lectures and it much the better way. Not only do I think it is easier, but (just as important) if something does go wrong in one of the calculations then you still get marks for other calculations that were correct. If you use the first way it is much harder for the marker if you have made just one mistake somewhere because one mistake makes lots of figures wrong.
However, both approaches will end up giving the same final answer.
October 10, 2014 at 8:46 am #204074thank you John.
October 10, 2014 at 4:53 pm #204107You are welcome 🙂
January 26, 2016 at 2:32 pm #298016AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Please how do I calculate Tax allowable depreciation on a straight line basis?
January 26, 2016 at 2:44 pm #298020AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Dear John, Please can you help me calculate the Tax allowable depreciation on this question on a straight line basis.? Many thanks
Parrott Co is a UK based company. It is considering a 3 year project in
Farland.
The project will require an initial investment of 81m Farland Florins (FFl)
and will have a residual value of 10m FFl.
The project’s pre tax net FFl inflows are expected to be:
The UK parent company will charge the overseas project with £2m of
management charges each year.
Year 1 35m
Year 2 80m
Year 3 50m
The current spot rate is 5FFl – £1. UK inflation is expected to be 4% per
annum, and Farland inflation is expected to be 7% per annum.
Farland tax is 20% and is paid immediately. Any losses are carried
forward and netted off the first available profits for tax purposes. Tax
allowable depreciation will be granted on a straight line basis, and any
residual value will be taxable at 20%. UK tax is 30% and is payable 1
year in arrears.
Parrott Co recently undertook a similar risk project in the UK and used
11% as a suitable discount rate.
Required:
Calculate the NPV of the project in £.January 26, 2016 at 4:38 pm #298035I am sorry, but the purpose of this forum is not to provide answers to test questions that you have been set. (I assume it is a test question otherwise you would have the answer in the same book in which you found the question).
The purpose of this forum is to provide help on anything that you are not sure about having watched our lectures, and to provide help with any specific parts of answers to questions that you are not clear about.
Everything that you need to be able to do the question that you have typed out is covered in detail in our free lectures.
December 4, 2017 at 9:00 am #420101Hi! I have a question on the case described above. It is written that an investment is 81m and residual value is 10m. Why is tax allowable depreciation charged on a straight-line basis is calculated without taking the residual value into account?
According to solution to this question, annual TAD is 81/3=27
However, I expected it to be (81-10)/3=23,67
Thank you in advanceDecember 4, 2017 at 3:00 pm #420226We are not doing financial accounts – you do whatever you want in financial accounts.
As far as tax is concerned it would be ridiculous if they allowed the residual value to be taken into account for calculating the allowance each year – it is only an estimate, and companies would start using ridiculous estimates to get the allowance they wanted!!
The tax depreciation is based on the initial cost. The actual scrap value is dealt with when calculating the balancing charge or allowance in the year of sale.
November 20, 2020 at 2:42 pm #595792Good Day, I was doing Blades Plc question, and worked the tax separately then minus it from profits, but i got different answer from the suggested answer, can you please guide me of where i went wrong. also if Capital Alowances is greater than profit will this create a loss c/f?
this is info for tax part of the question and my taxation working:cost of machinery 450,000, The project is expected toproduce net annual operating cash flows of $220,000 for each of thethree years of its life. At the end of this time its scrap value will bezero. Corporation tax is at a rate of 30%, payable in the same year. Themachine will attract a 70% initial capital allowance and the balance isto be written off evenly over the remainder of the asset life and isallowable against tax. The firm is certain that it will earn sufficientprofits against which to offset these allowances.
W1 – Taxation
Years 0 1 2 3Operating Cash flows 220,000 220,000 220,000
TAD W1b -315,000 -67,500 -67,500
Adjusted Cash flows 0 -95,000 152,500 152,500
Offset any profit against
prev losses -95,000
loss c/ftaxable profit 57,500 152,500
tax @30% 17,250 45,750
year paid-same yr2 yr3please guide me to where i went wrong, the suggested answer uses another method but i didnt learn that one and both answers different.
Thanking you in advance.
November 21, 2020 at 9:37 am #595856What you have done seems correct to me, although you have not shown the final cash flows. In what way were the net cash flows different from the suggested answer?
November 24, 2020 at 2:22 am #596221my answer:
Blades PlcYears 0 1 2 3
Operating Cash flows 220,000 220,000 220,000
Less Taxation- w1 -17250 -45750
Investment -450,000
Cash Flows -450,000 220,000 202,750 174,250
Base Case Discount Rate @16 % -w2 1 0.862 0.743 0.641
Present Values -450,000 189,640 150,643 111,694
Base Case NPV 1,977suggeste answer:
Blades PlcYears 0 1 2 3
Equipment -450,000
capital allowances 94,500 20,250 20,250
Operating Cash flows 220,000 220,000 220,000
Less Taxationon op cf -66000 -66000 -66000Cash Flows -450,000 248,500 174,250 174,250
Base Case Discount Rate 1 0.862 0.743 0.641
@16 % -w2Present Values -450,000 214,210 129470 111,694
Base Case NPV 5374please can you confirm if capital allowances is higher than profits, does it lead to loss c/f. thank you
November 24, 2020 at 11:45 am #596260I am sorry but I missed one line of your original question when I replied before.
The last line says that the company will earn sufficient profits to absorb the capital allowances. Therefore even if this one project makes a ‘loss’, what happens is that this is reducing the overall profit of the company and therefore means the company as a whole pays less tax than they otherwise would do. Therefore there is effectively a tax saving from the project and no loss to be carried forward.
So, in year 1, doing it your way, the tax is a saving of 30% x (220,000 – 315,000) = 28,500.
Therefore the net cash flow is 220,000 + 28,500 = 248,500, which is the same as in the suggested answer.Sorry for not noticing that line before. It is an assumption we always make unless the investment is in another country in which case we do carry forward any losses.
November 24, 2020 at 8:25 pm #596332thank you so much sir, i got the same answer now, so please tell me if i understood this correctly…. this means if cap allowances greater than profits, we get tax saving of the difference? and for all questions except international invest. we do this. and make this assumption?
also sir, can you suggest any question with this similar situation i can practice this concept plz. i did quite a bit of investment questions, but so far blades and tippletine had a loss. however tippletine co. loss was from from operating profit, but also TAD increased the loss BUT in this case the loss was cf….
November 25, 2020 at 8:32 am #596367In Tippletine, the question specifically says that losses are carried forward.
Most exam investment appraisal questions these days involve a company investing in a foreign country in which case losses are carried forward.
There must be some questions in your Revision Kit where this is not the case, but I am afraid I cannot remember which ones.
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