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December 2005(Petra)

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  • This topic has 13 replies, 3 voices, and was last updated 9 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • June 1, 2014 at 4:24 am #172246
    Hong
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    Hi Mike,
    Needed your help
    Included in revenue is $12m for receipts that the company’s auditors have advised are commission sales. The cost of these sales, paid for by Petra, were $8m. $3m of the profit $4m was attributable to and remitted to Sharma ( the auditors have advised that Sharma is the principal for these transactions). Both the $8m and $3m have been included in cost of sales.
    Is the answer are
    Dr sales $12m
    Cr cost of sales $11m
    Commission accrued $1m

    June 1, 2014 at 8:19 am #172269
    MikeLittle
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    Yes, sales on commission are actually sales as an agent on behalf of the principal.these were never your goods – they always belonged to the principal.

    So we need to get them out of sales and out of cost of sales.

    The only “revenue” that we should acknowledge is the commission income and that should be sown separately within the statement of income (and not included within “revenue”)

    So you are correct. We need to Dr Revenue 12m, Cr Cost of sales 11m, and Cr Commission income 1m

    June 1, 2014 at 8:55 am #172285
    Hong
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    Thank you very much Mike,
    You really help me a lot.

    I got another question,
    June 2012
    Immediately after the acquisition, square(subsidiary) issued $4m of 11% loan notes, $2.5m of which were bought by pyramid(parent). All interest due on the loan notes as at 31march 2012 has been paid and received.
    We need to eliminate the interest? As is sub gave to parent.

    June 1, 2014 at 9:02 am #172287
    MikeLittle
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    Is this an income statement question or a financial position question?

    If it’s a statement of income question, then we need to cancel $275,000 of the finance cost shown in the subsidiary against the same amount included by the parent in finance income

    If it’s a statement of financial position question, we need to cancel $2,500,000 investment in the parent against $2,500,000 of the $4,000,000 long term liability shown in the subsidiary

    Ok?

    June 1, 2014 at 9:47 am #172292
    Hong
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    Okay!
    But we need to do any adjustment for pre-acquisition profit and post-acquisition profit for subsidiary, if the date on acquisition is the half way of the year ended( example date of acquisition is 1 April 2009 and year ended is 30 September 2009).

    June 1, 2014 at 4:23 pm #172375
    MikeLittle
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    No! You may be thinking that the loan was issued on 1 April so the loan interest should be allocated to just the post-acquisition period.

    Without the question in front of me, I seem to remember that the parent bought the interest bearing loan from “other people” that is, it already existed and was not a new issue.

    If my memory is correct, then time apportionment is not relevant.

    If it were a new issue, then, yes, we would need to allocate the loan interest to the post-acquisition period.

    The other element of time apportionment is, of course, the fact that the parent is only going to receive 6 months’ worth of loan interest so the figures I quoted in my last post need to be halved

    Ok?

    June 5, 2014 at 7:06 am #174083
    Hong
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    Hi, mike
    I got one question to ask you about yesterday F7 exam.
    Our revenue included agent sale of $20m, we are given 10% commission and we remitted $15 charged to our cost of sale.
    Is the answer is
    Dr sale $20m
    Cr cost of sale $15m
    Commission $2m
    Payable $3m

    June 5, 2014 at 11:51 am #174156
    MikeLittle
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    That sounds good to me – obviously I’d like to see the question but the entries you have suggested appear to correct the wrong entries

    June 5, 2014 at 12:31 pm #174163
    Hong
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    Then what will be the answer?

    June 6, 2014 at 6:45 pm #174808
    MikeLittle
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    As you yourself have posted:-

    Dr sale $20m
    Cr cost of sale $15m
    Commission $2m
    Payable $3m

    June 7, 2014 at 3:26 am #174923
    Hong
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    Thank you very much Mike!
    You really help me a lot,
    Appreciate.

    June 8, 2014 at 2:00 pm #175194
    MikeLittle
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    You’re welcome

    November 30, 2015 at 1:31 pm #286417
    xinyi0711
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    HI,I want to ask question about Petra
    Why the development expenditure need to split into the impairment 6000 and amortisation 8000?Hw to get the 6000?

    November 30, 2015 at 7:14 pm #286522
    MikeLittle
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    Somewhere around 1 June last year, on this thread, I indicated that I don’t have the question and cannot lay my hands on it. If you really want me to answer your question then you’ll need to post ALL relevant details on your next post

    Sorry 🙁

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