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contingent consideration

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  • August 14, 2020 at 8:28 pm #580588
    misbahkiran
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    hi Sir

    I have mentioned my understanding with regard to the issues please need your expert opinion for my peace of mind.

    Contractual rights

    In case of contractual rights in IAS 38 we need to consider “contingent consideration in the cost of contractual rights upon initial recognition” how do we measure it subsequently.

    my understanding

    will increase or decrease effect cost of contractual rights and we will increase the cost of intangible assest and amortize it on remaining useful life.

    Goodwill

    In case of goodwill the contingent consideration become part of the calculation of good will. how do we measure any change in contingent consideration subsequently?

    my understanding

    if subsequent change is as a result of event existed at the date of acquisition then we need to adjust it to the cost of goodwill, if change in consideration is as a result of events after reporting period we shall recognize it as a provision or financial liability or in case of equity instrument we shall not consider any subsequent change in fair value.

    August 15, 2020 at 4:32 pm #580690
    Stephen Widberg
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    Contractual rights

    I do not understand what you are asking. Can you give me an example please?

    Goodwill

    Your understanding is perfect. If we obtain additional information about conditions on the acquisition date within 12 months goodwill will change.

    https://www.iasplus.com/en/standards/ifrs/ifrs3

    August 16, 2020 at 5:18 pm #580809
    misbahkiran
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    sir for contractual rights please refer to March 2020 Question 3 part b ii

    Acca standard solution mentioned about the reassessment but I wonder if there is a change in value of contingent consideration how will it be account for in subsequent measurement.

    August 17, 2020 at 12:10 pm #580892
    Stephen Widberg
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    If you are likely to have to pay some more money for the player you will add that cost to the cost of the intangible.

    The intangible will then be amortised over the life of the contract subject to impairment

    August 20, 2020 at 6:10 pm #581323
    misbahkiran
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    For the contingent consideration in case of good will

    we will show Dr to cost of investment and disclose contingent liability. and in case if increase we account for it as a provision with corresponding effect in profit and loss if it relate to the period after measurement period allowed by the standard IFRS 3.

    my question is what will be the second effect in parent book for contingent consideration included in cost of investment of subsidiary?

    August 20, 2020 at 9:10 pm #581332
    misbahkiran
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    as per your description
    “If you are likely to have to pay some more money for the player you will add that cost to the cost of the intangible.

    The intangible will then be amortised over the life of the contract subject to impairment”

    BUT

    in contractual rights, contingent consideration is already a part of intangibles. at initial recognition we will

    Dr Intangibles
    Cr Financial instruments / Provisions Equity

    if subsequently there is any change why don’t we increase the financial liability? why we are adding to the cost of intangibles.

    August 21, 2020 at 5:27 pm #581434
    Stephen Widberg
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    The rules for acquisition of a subsidiary with goodwill states that all consideration must be measured at fair value. The actual fair value would depend on the probability. IFRS 3

    I thought you were asking me about the rules for acquisition and intangible assets which are completely different. If you are just buying an intangible asset like a football player you would recognise the contingent consideration if probable.IAS 38

    August 21, 2020 at 9:40 pm #581442
    misbahkiran
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    Sorry for the confusion Sir !!! accept my apologies…

    this para is from march 2020 solution question 3 part b ii

    “When a player’s contract is signed, management should make an assessment of the likely outcome of performance conditions. Contingent consideration will be recognised in the players’ initial registration costs if management believes the performance conditions will be met in line with the contractual terms. Periodic reassessments of the contingent consideration should be made.

    Any contingent amounts which the directors of Leria Co believe will be payable should be included in the players’ contract costs from the date management believes that the performance conditions will be met. Any additional amounts of contingent consideration not included in the costs of players’ registrations will be disclosed separately as a commitment. Amortisation of the costs of the contract will be based upon the length of the player’s contract.”

    in this para what confuse me is this statement

    “Any contingent amounts which the directors of Leria Co believe will be payable should be included in the players’ contract costs from the date management believes that the performance conditions will be met. Any additional amounts of contingent consideration not included in the costs of players’ registrations will be disclosed separately as a commitment. ”

    this mean if at initial recognition we didn’t add contingent consideration then we can add it at subsequent measurement”

    August 22, 2020 at 5:07 pm #581536
    Stephen Widberg
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    Yes next time please tell me what question it is!

    You are correct. If they later reassess that additional consideration is payable they will increase the value of the intangible assets with a corresponding increase in the corresponding liability.

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