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- October 29, 2015 at 8:00 am #279489
Hi! In Dec 2013 Q1- A decrease in contingent consideration is treated as an income and thus added in Cons.SPL and added to RE.
Is this adjustments made because it happened in the post acquisition period?
if it had occurred in the next year perhaps what would have been the adjustments?
October 29, 2015 at 8:32 am #279491Yes, it’s because the decrease occurred in the post acquisition period
Nothing different if it had happened in the next year (nor the one after that!)
October 29, 2015 at 8:45 am #279496okk.i understood that.thank you!!
does the same rule apply for negative goodwill as well, the timing doesn’t affect it?
October 29, 2015 at 8:47 am #279499The only thing likely to affect negative goodwill is the first anniversary review of fair values. They may confirm the bargain purchase or may reduce the value of the negative goodwill, but can’t increase the negative goodwill
October 29, 2015 at 9:10 am #279501ok,you mean the negative goodwill is adjusted in the year of acquisition as an income and any subsequent decrease in later year is adjusted in the year it occurs?
does the decrease occur due to impairment?
how will the decrease be recorded? is it deducted as an expense?
October 29, 2015 at 10:08 am #279504The decrease can occur for any reason – it doesn’t need to be an impairment
If the decrease is due to an impairment then, yes, credit the asset and debit statement of profit or loss
October 29, 2015 at 12:38 pm #279521what do you mean by credit the asset? the negative goodwill is treated as an income.not shown as an asset
October 29, 2015 at 4:52 pm #279548Negative goodwill arose because the fair value of the net assets at date of acquisition was greater than the consideration paid to acquire control.
If the assets were greater and that gave rise to negative goodwill (which was then credited to statement os profit or loss) and you’re asking ho we deal with a decrease in the value of the negative goodwill, then clearly we must reduce the value of the assets that we acquired
So…..debit impairment / fall in value / call it what you will and
credit the assetOK?
October 29, 2015 at 5:27 pm #279564ok.ok.now i got it.THANKS A LOT 🙂
October 29, 2015 at 5:28 pm #279566You’re welcome
May 20, 2016 at 1:10 am #315893Dear Mike,
At d.o.a parent has a contingent consideration of 4.2m and it was provided for future action
After 1year, the fv of this contingent is reduced to 2.7m
Can u tell me double entry (soci/sofp) for this consideration???Dr RE/ contingent exp
Cr provisionOver provision
Dr provision
Cr RE/ contingent expOr
Dr contingent consideration
Cr provisionOver provision
Dr provision
Cr contingent consideration
(RE in this double entry have not affected ???)May 20, 2016 at 4:48 am #315905It has to go back into Retained Earnings as an over-provision no longer required so debit provision for contingent consideration, credit retained earnings
May 20, 2016 at 5:12 am #315913@mikelittle said:
It has to go back into Retained Earnings as an over-provision no longer required so debit provision for contingent consideration, credit retained earningsDo we adjust the cost of investment? decrease to 2.7m
May 20, 2016 at 5:39 am #315921Only if the re-assessment was part of the first anniversary review of fair values.
In that case the double entry would be ….
Dr Contingent Consideration 1,500
Cr Goodwill 1,500But the examiner would make it clear that it was a part of the anniversary review
May 20, 2016 at 7:38 am #315974@mikelittle said:
Only if the re-assessment was part of the first anniversary review of fair values.In that case the double entry would be ….
Dr Contingent Consideration 1,500
Cr Goodwill 1,500But the examiner would make it clear that it was a part of the anniversary review
Sorry but it seems unclearly for me 🙁
And it’s a picant questionThe question says: “by 31/03/2010 it was clear that the actual amount to be paid would be only $2.7m… Picant has recorded the share exchange and provided for the initial estimate of $4.2”
I’m wondering about the 1st entry for contingent consideration,
Like you said “It has to go back into Retained Earnings as an over-provision no longer required so debit provision for contingent consideration, credit retained earnings”
I think i will be like this
Provision
Dr C.O.I 4,200
Cr Provision for contingent consideration 4,200Actual
Dr Provision for contingent consideration 1,500
Cr RE 1,500Subsequently why does it not affected into C.O.I??
And i don’t quite understand this one:
Dr Contingent Consideration 1,500
Cr Goodwill 1,500May 20, 2016 at 8:01 am #315989“Provision
Dr C.O.I 4,200
Cr Provision for contingent consideration 4,200” – agreed, so goodwill is increased because cost of investment is higherBut then, subsequent to acquisition, we decide that it’s not going to be as high as $4.2 – it’s only going to be around $2.7 – so we can debit the provision and credit retained earnings
“Subsequently why does it not affected into C.O.I?” – it doesn’t affect cost of investment (nor, therefore, Goodwill) because the amount is re-assessed as a result of events taking place AFTER acquisition. As at date of acquisition the estimate was justifiable but afterwards the contingency should be reduced.
It’s the same therefore as any other provision movement. At the time the provision is created, it was estimated according to best information available AT THAT TIME
Now, subsequently, there is a re-assessment as at reporting date.
And there could well be another as at the following year end tooThe suggested solution tells you about it!
Here:
Consolidated retained earnings
Picant’s retained earnings 27,200
Sander’s post-acquisition losses (2,400 x 75% see below) ( 1,800)
Gain from reduction of contingent consideration (4,200 – 2,700 see below) 1,500
URP in inventory (w (iii)) ( 600)
Adler’s post-acquisition profits (6,000 x 6/12 x 40%) 1,200total 27,500
The adjustment to the provision for contingent consideration due to events occurring after the acquisition is reported in income (goodwill is not recalculated).
Is that better?
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