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  • July 31, 2014 at 4:21 pm #180218
    Ivy
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    Additional information:
    Hill’s current account credit balance of $500k with Lake did not agree with the corresponding balance in Lake ‘s books.The reason was that on 29 sept 2011 Hill billed Lake $100k for its share of central administration costs. Lake has yet to record this bill. These current a/c are included in a/c receivables or a/c payable as appropriate.

    So, what is the treatment of $100k share of central administration costs in consolidated account?

    August 1, 2014 at 8:37 am #180269
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    When Lake receives the invoice, they will put through the entry Dr Administrative Expenses Cr Current Account with Hill

    That entry will now reconcile the two current accounts

    Before the adjustment, the Lake Current Account in Hill’s records was $500 and we have not adjusted that balance with the above entry – so the Lake Current Account in Hill’s records is still $500.

    But so too is the Hill Current Account in Lake’s records

    So we can now reduce Receivables by $500 and Payables by $500

    In addition, in Lake’s records, by the above entry we have increased Administrative Expenses by $100 and decreased Receivables by $100

    The overall summarised combined adjusting entry is therefore:

    Dr Administrative Expenses $100
    Dr Payables $500
    Cr Receivables $600

    BUT! I wouldn’t in the exam room tackle the problem as a combined adjustment – I would take it one step at a time

    Hope that helps

    August 1, 2014 at 3:28 pm #180331
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    I can understand yr explanation above.But from the answer of this question, I don understand why the admin cost of $100 need to put in the calculation of NCI and also the consolidated retained earning, minus under these two a/c

    August 1, 2014 at 3:45 pm #180335
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    It’s because the subsidiary profits / retained earnings need to be reduced by this $100. At the moment, the parent has paid / incurred these administrative expenses. Now they’re passing them on to the subsidiary.

    So, in the parent’s records, Admin Expenses have been reduced but, so far as the group is concerned, those Admin expenses have actually been incurred. So the subsidiary profits for the year and retained earnings to carry forward should reflect this re-charge from the parent

    In working W3, we need to include as an adjustment to “today’s” retained earnings a deduction of $100 in the subsidiary column

    That will lead to a reduction of $100 in the calculation of post-acquisition retained earnings and hence a reduced amount against which the nci percentage is to be applied

    Does that answer it for you?

    August 1, 2014 at 4:18 pm #180354
    Ivy
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    Thanks a lot, I can understand now.

    August 1, 2014 at 9:00 pm #180441
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    You’re welcome

    August 3, 2014 at 3:56 am #180573
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    In ACCA F7 International Pedantic and Sophistic December 2008, How did you arrive at 5.9 million for NCI because i am not seeing that it.In note 5 it said pedantic has a policy of accounting for any non controlling interest at fair value. for this purpose the fair value of the goodwill attributable to the non controlling interest in Sophistic is 1.5 million.Consolidated goodwill was not impaired at September 30 2008.

    August 3, 2014 at 7:39 am #180582
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    The question tells us that the GOODWILL attributable to the nci is $1.5m but we need to know the value of the nci INVESTMENT

    To arrive at that figure, the value of the nci investment is the combination of their proportional share of the subsidiary’s fair valued net assets at date of acquisition plus the value of the goodwill attributable to them

    The Sophistic fair valued net assets at date of acquisition are calculated as:-

    Shares 4,000
    Retained earnings brought forward 3,500
    Retained earnings for 6 months 1,500
    Fair value adjustment 2,000

    Total 11,000

    Their share 40% x 11,000 4,400
    Attributable goodwill (given in question) 1,500

    Value of nci investment at date of acquisition 5,900

    Ok?

    August 3, 2014 at 1:31 pm #180604
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    Dear Sir,

    For preparing for the DipIfr (ACCA), will the lectures of F7 & P2 from opentution be sufficient?

    Secondly, the question pattern of consolidation questions would be same for Dipifr exam as that for F7?

    Regards,
    Swati

    August 4, 2014 at 6:10 am #180662
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    Based on my own experience of DipIFRS I suggest that just F7 material is necessary – no need for P2 and, yes, opentuition material should be enough.

    Not sure exactly what you mean by “question pattern of consolidation” but from memory the consolidation question is similar to a consolidation question in F7 papers.

    Why not look up the DipIFRS past exams and see for yourself?

    August 4, 2014 at 11:25 am #180734
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    Dear Sir,
    Thanks for your reply
    Well, I have a very small doubt regarding the Consolidated Income Statement.

    If situation is something like this:
    Parent acquired 80% of Subsidiary 4 yrs ago.

    Statement of PL shows:
    “Income from Investment’: 9000 (Parent) 5000 (Subsidiary)
    “Finance Costs: 11000 (Parent) 8000 (Subsidiary)

    Notes: Subsidiary paid dividends of 5000 during the year.

    So, Does this mean that out of the 5000 dividends paid by Subsidiary, 4000 is the dividend given to the Parent and 1000 to NCI?
    What would be the treatment of this 4000 then? Do we deduct this 4000 from ‘Income from Investment’ when consolidating? AND what else we will do?

    Regards,
    Swati

    August 4, 2014 at 2:58 pm #186344
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    Good morning,
    Do you have any video with December 2012 ACCA F7 pass paper under the revision on open tuition

    August 4, 2014 at 3:28 pm #186350
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    December 2012, how did the nci was calculated. I am not understanding how this answer was calculated

    August 4, 2014 at 3:29 pm #186353
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    Also why was the goodwill deducted from administrative expenses.

    August 4, 2014 at 7:50 pm #186383
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    Swati, yes, we shall deduct 80% of $5,000 ($4,000) from the investment income shown in the parent’s records when preparing the statement of profit or loss. So investment income falls to (9,000 – 4,000) + 5,000 = $10,000

    No other affect on the consolidated statement of profit or loss

    August 4, 2014 at 8:01 pm #186386
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    Is the answer not simply 10% x $2.50 share price at date of acquisition? $2,500,000 (answer not loading on my machine)

    August 4, 2014 at 8:08 pm #186387
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    Jodiann, good question – I see that, from the question, goodwill has to be impaired by $2m.

    Now this should be included as an expense – where to include it depends on the question but the natural choices are cost of sales or administrative expenses

    With no contrary instruction in a question, I think I would be inclined to show it as a separate expense.

    Your question asks why it has been DEDUCTED from Admin Expenses. Surely it hasn’t been deducted! It must have been added into the expenses.

    August 4, 2014 at 9:20 pm #186391
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    Dear Sir,
    If we are deducting it from Parent’s ‘Income from investment’ then why do we not add it from Subsidiary’s side? If Subsidiary has paid it, shouldn’t we add this 4000 in Subsidiary’s record?

    August 4, 2014 at 9:23 pm #186392
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    how do you deal with immediate payment when it is given in the question of 1.50 per share in cash and the market value is 4.00, nci is 3.00 and deferred is 6.6 at a cost of capital is 10%. how would you calculate the cost of investment.

    I did:
    Cost of investment :80 % X 120,000 X1 / 2= 19,200
    deferred payment: 6600/1.10 = 6,000
    value of nci : 20% X 120,000 X3.00 = 7,200

    This is correct.

    August 5, 2014 at 7:02 am #186415
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    Swati, I don’t see any dividend payment in the figures we shall use to prepare a consolidated statement of profit or loss. Do you?

    The dividend payment by the subsidiary is not an expense to be included in the pre-tax figures (and that’s as far down the statement of profit or loss that we are going to consolidate)

    A dividend is an appropriation of earnings to be shown within the statement of changes in equity.

    August 5, 2014 at 7:06 am #186416
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    Jodiann, I’m not really sure what you’re asking here! You appear to have written out the question, answered it and told me that it’s your answer is correct. So what are you asking?

    Incidentally, your calculations don’t look right to me! What’s the name / exam reference of the question?

    August 5, 2014 at 11:34 am #186467
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    Alright Sir,
    got it,
    Thanks..

    August 5, 2014 at 11:43 am #186469
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    Dear Sir,

    While doing the Consolidation questions from BPP revision kit (Dipifr) there were few things I came across and I am not clear about their accounting treatment.

    1) While calculating ‘pup’, we have to see how much is the profit element in the inventory still there with the buyer (say Subsidiary is the buyer & Parent is selling). Right. Now we are given the amount of opening (2000,000) and closing inventory (1200,000) of Subsidiary in respect of goods purchased from Parent. Profit is 25% mark up on Cost. Sales to Subsidiary is say, 10 mn. So how do we calculate the pup when opening & closing inventory is given?

    2) What does it mean when ques says: the FV adjustments arising on DOA of Subsidiary will be regarded as Temporary Differences for the purposes of computing Deferred Tax. Any unrealised profit on Inter entity trading will also be regarded as Temporary Differences for this purposes. – What would be the accounting treatment & why?

    Regards,
    Swati

    August 5, 2014 at 1:42 pm #186478
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    OK, number 1)

    “1) While calculating ‘pup’, we have to see how much is the profit element in the inventory still there with the buyer (say Subsidiary is the buyer & Parent is selling). Right. Now we are given the amount of opening (2000,000) and closing inventory (1200,000) of Subsidiary in respect of goods purchased from Parent. Profit is 25% mark up on Cost. Sales to Subsidiary is say, 10 mn. So how do we calculate the pup when opening & closing inventory is given?”

    The first “p” in “pup” is “provision”

    By statutory definition a provision is a credit balance. So the opening position is a creit balance brought forward of 25/125 x 2m = 400,000

    The closing balance to carry forward is 25 / 125 x 1.2m = 240,000

    But these into a T account and you’ll see that there is a “missing figure” in the T account needed to make it balance. The figure is 160,000 and should be debited to the T account and credited to …… where?

    To the statement of profit or loss as a provision no longer required. An increase in a provision would be added to cost of sales but here we have a decrease in a provision and that will be deducted from cost of sales

    “2) What does it mean when ques says: the FV adjustments arising on DOA of Subsidiary will be regarded as Temporary Differences for the purposes of computing Deferred Tax. Any unrealised profit on Inter entity trading will also be regarded as Temporary Differences for this purposes. – What would be the accounting treatment & why?”

    It means that we should apply the deferred tax principles to these temporary differences in calculating the movement on the deferred tax account. So, apply the income tax rate to the temporary differences, put that calculated amount in the deferred tax account “above the line” on the debit side and “below the line” on the credit side.

    Balance off the deferred tax account and take the balancing figure to the Current tax account. Balance off the Current Tax account and take the missing figure to the statement of profit or loss

    OK?

    August 5, 2014 at 7:29 pm #186522
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    Dear Sir

    Regarding the part (1) of my query:
    Actually the inventory position was like this: (I mistakenly interchanged the figures for opening & closing Inventory.

    Amount in inventory at: 30/9/2006 ($’000) 30/9/2005 ($’000)
    Subsidiary: 2,000 (cl.) 1,200 (op.)
    Profit is 25% mark up on Cost. Sales to Subsidiary is say, 10 mn.

    Can I say that out of the 2000 worth of inventory lying in the end with Subsidiary, 800 is from the current year’s purchase of 10 mn? And hence, we will concerned about the profit element on this 800. i.e 25/125 * 800 = 160
    or
    (just to understand the logic, can I also say that we have to calculate the profit element from the inventory of the current period and which is still lying with the subsidiary. So from above figures,1200 was of last year, inventory worth 10,000 (10 mn given) was purchased (from Parent) and sold 9200 (b/f) worth of inventory to outside party and then finally left with 2000 (given)
    Does my logic make sense?

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