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Mmp-open11y ago
Hallo, In the following example, is to find the cash generated from operations: cash sales profit before tax increase in receivables decrease in payables inventory at start of period inventory at end of period - in the solution the profit before tax and the inventory at start and end of period are excluded to come to the final answer, so only cash sales, increase in Rs, and decrease in Ps are taken into account. Could you explain why? Thank you!
John MoffatJohn MoffatTutor11y ago#1
I am sorry, but I do not understand what you are asking. Can you type out the full question and then I will try and explain.
Mmp-open11y ago#2
Hallo, Yes, the question is: What amount of cash is generated from operations? and they list the following: cash sales profit before tax increase in receivables decrease in payables inventory at start of period inventory at end of period But, the final answer does not include the profit before tax, neither the difference between the inventory at start and end of period, i.e. the answer is = cash sales - increase in receivables - decrease in payables, so the profit before tax and inventories is not taken into account in the solution, why is it so? Thank you!
John MoffatJohn MoffatTutor11y ago#3
If the question is typed exactly the way that you have typed it (with no numbers), then both the question and the answer make no sense at all. I don't know which book you found the question in, but I cannot help!
Mmp-open11y ago#4
Hallo, sorry, I have the numbers, here they are: cash sales 13,780 profit before tax 25,600 increase in receivables 18600 increase in payables 14080 inventory at start of period 11700 inventory at end of period 12560 Answer: 13780 - 18600 +14080 = 9260 this is the cash generated from operations Question: why profit before tax and inventory (beg & end) are not part of the answer? Thank you!
John MoffatJohn MoffatTutor11y ago#5
The correct answer is 20,220. The answer is nonsense - I don't know which book you got it from, but it is wrong.
Mmp-open11y ago#6
Hallo, I am coming back to this example. I didn't want to copy all of the example, as it seems long, and I shortened it, but here is the full text: The following information has been extracted from the accounting records of Potter, a company: $ Cash sales 13,780 Profit before tax 25,600 Receivables at start of period 10,540 Receivables at end of period 29,140 Credit sales 164,300 Payables at start of period 9,380 Payables at end of period 23,460 Credit purchases 81,290 Inventory at start of period 11,700 Inventory at end of period 12,560 Expenses paid in cash 18,230 Amounts paid to staff 45,000 What amount of cash is generated from operations? 29,040 The question I am asking myself, is why when coming to the answer of 29,040, the author doesn't not take into consideration profit before tax and inventory (beg & end), these are not used when coming to the answer of 29,040 and I don't understand why? I hope this will be clearer, if not, then there's really a mistake in the text. Thank you!
John MoffatJohn MoffatTutor11y ago#7
Thank you for typing the whole question. The answer is correct, and now I can explain why :-) It is because they have had to use the direct method (which you will know about from the chapter in our Course Notes). Usually, we use the indirect method and start with the profit before interest and tax. However here there is not enough information because we are not told the depreciation (or the interest). The cash received from credit customers is 10540 + 164300 - 29140 = 145700. The cash from cash sales is 13780. So the total cash from customers is 145700 + 13780 = 159480 The cash to suppliers is 9380 + 81290 - 23460 = 67210 The cash to employees is 45000 The cash for other expenses is 18230 So the cash generated from operation is 159480 - 67210 - 45000 - 18230 = 29040. I hope that is now clear :-)
Mmp-open11y ago#8
Hallo, I understand the solution. I am wondering what is the explanation that inventory is not part of the direct method? And, one question which is not related to this example, but to the indirect method, and my questions relate to the lines with a number and a star: 1* Profit before taxation after interest 80,000 Depreciation and amortisation charges 20,000 2* Interest charges in the income statement 2,300 Gains on disposal of non?current assets (6,000) Losses on disposal of non?current assets 4,500 Increase in trade and other receivables (7,000) Decrease in inventories 2,000 Increase in trade payables 3,000 Cash generated from operations 98,800 Taxation paid (tax on profits) (21,000) 4* Interest charges paid (2,500) Net cash flow from operating activities 75,300 1* Profit before taxation after interest 80,000 - why the profit is before taxation but after interest, and why do we subtract interest in 4* again, i.e. twice, is it for the end period? 2* Interest charges in the income statement 2,300 - is this interest we have received, as it is added? 4* Interest charges paid (2,500) - this is the same meaning as in 1* but for different period, or? Am I asking correctly my doubts, otherwise I will try to explain it again. Thank you!
John MoffatJohn MoffatTutor11y ago#9
The reason that the profit is before taxation and after interest is because the question says it is :-) This is a cash flow statement, and so we need to add back the interest actually charged in the Statement of profit or loss, and then subtract the interest that was actually paid. The two are not necessarily the same (and they are not the same here). In calculating the profit for the year they will have used the interest expense for the year - whether it has been paid or whether it is still owing. For the Statement of cash flows we are only interested in how much interest was actually paid.
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