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Canceling profit on sale to associates

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  • This topic has 7 replies, 2 voices, and was last updated 7 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • October 25, 2015 at 3:34 pm #278875
    neilsolaris
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    Hi,

    I can’t work out the logic of why it’s necessary to cancel the profit on sales to an associate? What is the reason for that? Thanks!

    October 25, 2015 at 3:44 pm #278877
    MikeLittle
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    Because we should otherwise be recognising profits achieved by selling to an entity where we have a significant influence.

    It’s elimination only of any UNREALISED profits and it’s the elimination only of OUR (the group’s) SHARE of those unrealised profits

    It’s basically the same principle as pup adjustments with subsidiaries but, for associates, we eliminate only our share whereas with subsidiaries we eliminate the full pup

    OK?

    October 25, 2015 at 3:52 pm #278879
    neilsolaris
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    Thanks for your reply.

    Did you mean to type “shouldn’t otherwise”? I’m not sure what’s wrong with recognizing profits achieved by selling to entities that we have significant influence. Is it because we might try to artificially inflate our profits? But in that case, what does the associate have to gain?

    Sorry I’m taking a while to get my head around it!

    October 25, 2015 at 3:57 pm #278881
    MikeLittle
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    “Did you mean to type “shouldn’t otherwise”?” – no I typed it correctly. There’s a “because” at the start that creates the negative

    We’re only eliminating our share.

    Here’s something I’ve never said before! If you deal with pups in the same way that I do (eliminate the full pup in the associate – that automatically eliminates just our share because we will take just our share of that associate’s adjusted profits) that’s exactly what we do with pups with subsidiaries!

    Get your head around that!

    October 25, 2015 at 4:05 pm #278883
    neilsolaris
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    I can see the logic of what you’re saying there. I think I find it easier to understand with associates, because I can see that the group has not made a profit until the inventory has actually been sold, and left the group. But with associates I’m struggling a little. Hopefully it’ll sink in by the end of the day!

    October 25, 2015 at 4:44 pm #278886
    MikeLittle
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    I believe that you mean “subsidiaries” not “associates”

    “understand with associates, because I can see that the group has not made a profit” but I understood what you were saying

    October 25, 2015 at 7:25 pm #278916
    neilsolaris
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    You’re absolutely right, I did mean subsidiaries first time around!

    October 26, 2015 at 7:50 am #278963
    MikeLittle
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    No worries – as I said, I understood what you meant

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