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  • This topic has 12 replies, 3 voices, and was last updated 9 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • July 21, 2015 at 6:36 pm #261340
    rashid1234
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    hello sir i have a pretty odd question, what happens if we get a situation where the acquiree has negative net assets?

    July 21, 2015 at 7:09 pm #261348
    MikeLittle
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    Why would you buy it?

    And how much would you pay?

    How much are the shares worth?

    Yes, you’re right! It is a strange question

    July 22, 2015 at 8:09 am #261370
    rashid1234
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    In fact sir, i have never came across such a scenario, thats why im asking what should we do in case this happens in exams.
    i think the p2 examiner can think of something plausible to make such a scenario possible.
    i guess anything should be possible with acca….

    (just some random figures)
    Purchase price= 200k
    Net assets= -50K

    so goodwill = 250k?
    doest seem right

    July 22, 2015 at 7:06 pm #261439
    MikeLittle
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    I would almost guarantee that such a scenario will NOT come up, neither in a P2 exam nor in practice!

    If a company has negative assets (net liabilities) why PAY anything? Why not simply ask (if you’re that keen) the directors and shareholders to let you take over the liabilities?

    At the moment I own a company that has Share Capital of €100, Retained Earnings of €(350) and Net Assets less Liabilities of €(250)

    Will you pay me money to buy my €100 share capital?

    Hmmm!

    July 23, 2015 at 5:43 am #261462
    icedawn
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    cant this situation arise if you receive an unsecured loan?

    July 23, 2015 at 5:48 am #261463
    rashid1234
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    makes sense, thx mr mike

    July 23, 2015 at 7:36 am #261475
    MikeLittle
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    Icedawn, please explain what your thinking is

    rashid, you’re welcome

    July 23, 2015 at 5:26 pm #261553
    icedawn
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    hmm a new start up tech company who is developing a very promising technology for the future, probably incurring losses and need fundings leading to a negative net worth. A big company like goggle or apple may be interested in buying them out…just a thought lol

    July 23, 2015 at 11:39 pm #261575
    MikeLittle
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    If they have negative net assets, why would anyone buy them out?

    You would only buy something of value

    Now …… although their book valued assets may be negative, their knowhow and / or other intangibles may have a value greater than book value.

    When Apple or Google comes along, the net negative assets will be reappraised at fair value for the purposes of the vulture swallowing the victim and, in that situation, the FAIR VALUED net assets may in fact have a positive value

    Ok?

    July 24, 2015 at 6:38 am #261582
    icedawn
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    ok i understand what you’re saying. thx

    July 24, 2015 at 8:58 am #261599
    MikeLittle
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    You’re welcome

    July 24, 2015 at 11:11 pm #261803
    rashid1234
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    That could be a possible scenario for the exam, i hope the examiners doest read the forums lol

    July 24, 2015 at 11:53 pm #261811
    MikeLittle
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    Well, it’s too late for this year and, if he should ever include it, you’ll be long gone – qualified and earning millions!

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