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  • This topic has 21 replies, 7 voices, and was last updated 7 years ago by John Moffat.
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  • September 13, 2015 at 8:40 pm #271680
    parishay
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    June 2014 .
    In burung co. Whether sale revenue & costs are inflated in calculating apv, & if so then how these are inflated.??

    September 13, 2015 at 10:45 pm #271693
    John Moffat
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    Yes they should be inflated because we need to discount the nominal (actual) cash flows at the nominal (actual) cost of equity.

    They are inflated by multiplying the current price flows by (1+i)^n, where i is the relevant inflation rate and were n is the number of years.

    I do suggest that you watch the free lecture on investment appraisal with inflation (and if necessary the relevant F9 lectures, because it is revision of Paper F9).

    November 22, 2015 at 7:28 am #284436
    learner93
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    Sir in one of the note of this ques is the taxation impact on the scrap value referring to the cap gains tax? And is this the same as after-tax realisable value?

    “Of this, $16 million relates to plant and machinery, which is expected to be sold for $4 million when the project ceases, after taking any taxation and inflation impact into account.”

    November 22, 2015 at 9:01 am #284456
    John Moffat
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    It is referring to all taxes and so yes – it is the after tax realisable value 🙂

    November 22, 2015 at 11:28 am #284499
    learner93
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    Then does tax on profit/loss on sale of asset i.e balancing charge or allowance included as the tax impact? Coz i saw some ques do not include balancing allowance in cash flow calculation but in some ques it is included.(when it is stated that the scrap value is after-tax)

    November 22, 2015 at 12:37 pm #284531
    John Moffat
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    When an asset is sold there is a balance charge or balancing allowance of the difference between the proceeds and the tax written down value, and therefore a tax effect to bring in.

    Some questions say that the proceeds are after tax effects, in which case we assume the balancing charge or allowance has been taken into account and so we do not bring it in again.

    If you have seen any questions that do differently from either of the above then you will have to say which question and I will try and explain why it has been done differently.

    (Incidentally, in relation to your previous question (which I answered correctly) you have never had to deal with capital gains tax in P4 – only with corporation tax.)

    November 22, 2015 at 2:33 pm #284586
    learner93
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    In this ques they said the $4mil sale value was after taking any taxation impact into account. Then why do they include balancing charge?

    November 22, 2015 at 4:14 pm #284616
    John Moffat
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    Had there only been note (ii) then I would have ignored the balance charge.

    However, note (iii) of the question specifically says that there is a balancing adjustment when the assets are sold.

    It does seem as though one contradicts the other, but because of note (iii) we have to do that (and it must mean that note (ii) in this question is referring only to other taxes (such as capital gains tax which we always ignore anyway).

    November 23, 2015 at 2:17 am #284652
    learner93
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    I see, thank you so much sir 🙂

    November 23, 2015 at 7:34 am #284674
    John Moffat
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    You are welcome 🙂

    September 1, 2016 at 5:29 pm #336861
    kakahh
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    Question solved.

    September 1, 2016 at 7:15 pm #336894
    John Moffat
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    Great 🙂

    September 3, 2016 at 4:25 pm #337335
    himanipatel
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    Hy Sir,

    How do you know whether to inflate the cashflows such a sales and direct costs from the first year or second?

    September 4, 2016 at 6:55 am #337412
    John Moffat
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    It depends on the wording of the question.

    Here the question says that that the revenue and costs have not been inflated (and so they are at current prices). Therefore (as always for flows at current prices) if the flow is in one years time there is one years inflation, if the flow is in two years time then there is two years inflation, and so on.

    September 4, 2016 at 1:42 pm #337503
    himanipatel
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    Got it. Thank you 🙂

    September 4, 2016 at 2:55 pm #337514
    John Moffat
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    You are welcome 🙂

    September 4, 2016 at 8:22 pm #337767
    Anonymous
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    Why aren’t we adding TAD back to profit after tax to derive at cashflows just like in other questions?

    September 5, 2016 at 7:38 am #337820
    John Moffat
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    Because if you look at the workings for the tax, depreciation was subtracted in calculating the tax payments.

    Depreciation has not been subtracted in the actual cash flows and so does not need adding back.

    November 18, 2017 at 3:08 pm #416453
    Anonymous
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    Dear Sir,

    related to this question, i have two issues:

    1) TAD, I it is not very clear for me why in the fourth year the TAD is 0.5 Mil.
    At the end of year 3, the tax balance of these assets should have been 4.5 Mil.
    During year 4, we should charge another 25% of this balance (i.e 1.125 Mil) and at the end of 4th year the balance should have been 3.375 Mil. Going further, we would compare this balance with the proceeds from the sale of 4 Mil.

    from the answer, I can see that they stopped with TAD at the end of year 3 and compared the 4.5 mil balance to the proceeds of 4mil and resulted another 0.5 Mil as TAD in year 4.

    2) Working capital. It is mentioned the following in the question: “at the beginning of each year, the Co will need to provide wk cap of 20% of the anticipated sales revenue for the year”

    The beginning of Year 1 for eg it means Y0, right? I would have expected to start from the Y1 with the investment in wk cap, but they considered Y0 as starting point with wk cap charges

    Many thanks,
    Simona

    November 18, 2017 at 7:38 pm #416495
    John Moffat
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    1. It is standard that in the year of sale there is no writing down allowance but instead there is a balancing allowance or a balancing charge of the difference between the tax written down value and the sales proceeds. (Look back at my F9 lectures on investment appraisal with tax).
    However if you had calculated writing down allowance and then the balancing charge/allowance comparing with that written down value, the total of the two would be exactly the same – it would make no difference!

    2. Always, the first year starts ‘now’ i.e. time 0. It finishes in 1 years time i.e. time 1.
    The second year starts in 1 years time i.e. time 1m and finishes in 2 years time i.e. time 2, and so on.

    For discounting we are looking at points in time that are 1 year apart – time 0, time 1, time 2 etc..

    November 18, 2017 at 8:36 pm #416507
    Anonymous
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    Thank you Sir!

    Regarding 1, you are right, i should get the same answer.

    Regarding 2, if I look at Neptune question, they start to compute TAD from Year X8 (which is time 0 i.e first year) but they charge it one year in arrears as the question says. if the question would not mention this, we would present on time 0 collumn (i.e X8), not on X9 year figures.
    Returning to Burung, they say that TAD is 50% available in the first year (which I should be thinking of time 0) but they include in Year 1 figures although the question does not say it is charged/claimed one year in arrears.

    I don’t get something right…

    November 19, 2017 at 9:40 am #416577
    John Moffat
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    The tax on the first years profits is calculated at the end of the first year, which is time 1. If there is no delay in tax then the tax flow is at time 1 also. If there is a one year delay in tax then that tax flow is one year later which is then at time 2.

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