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Kim Smith.
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- February 16, 2023 at 10:20 am #678951
Hi,
is there anything wrong with using one verb (i.e. obtain) consistently for audit procedure questions? let’s assume I have written this to test different assertions e.g
-obtain a contract agreement to confirm rights and obligation
-obtain and review board minutes for evidence of authorization at the board level
– obtain and review prior period forecasts and compare them to the actual performance of the period for significant differences to confirm staff competence… so on.secondly, will “cast the forecast to confirm mathematical accuracy” be a complete procedure enough to earn me full marks?
thanks.February 16, 2023 at 1:46 pm #678972This is AAA not AA, so basically don’t try to learn rules.
Essentially all procedures can be described with the five procedures “AEIOU” – see page 73 of the notes if you don’t remember what they stand for. “Obtain” is not one of these procedures – so something else would always have to be added to it. “Inquire” is a procedure that doesn’t follow from obtain.
Also, because this is AAA and not AA, you aren’t aiming to match procedures with assertions.
Just LOOK for example at the substantive procedures for Q1(c) of M/J21:
– Discuss the expert’s methodology and assumptions with management to confirm their rationale and compliance with the measurement requirements of IAS 41 Agriculture. – does NOT mention an assertion that you would identify for AA
– Obtain confirmation of the expert’s qualifications and experience in assessing storm damage to timber plantation assets and quantifying financial losses. – again, no assertion
– If possible, visit the site of the storm damage to form a view on the scale of the destruction and to evaluate whether any assets other than the trees have been destroyed or damaged. – again no assertion
Something as basic as cast a schedule (of anything) I think would be 1/2 a mark at this level.
February 17, 2023 at 8:30 am #679012Thanks for this.
I am afraid these procedures are long. what specific guidance would I adopt to maximize marks in this area? in AA it was straightforward; verb-document – assertion/reason. here it looks detailed.
any tips?
thanks, Kim.February 17, 2023 at 9:07 am #679016They are specific rather than long … average # of words in the 3 examples I copied is 25 words.
Only 5 words longer than average 20 words for each point of substantive procedures published in AA answers.
In AAA, the design of audit procedures in Q1 is now typically only 5-8 marks.
For a 5-mark requirement 3 good points is 3 marks is a pass (!)
February 17, 2023 at 8:17 pm #679061thanks, Kim.
one more thing that is completely different from this.
What is the difference between significant and material? can they be used interchangeably in this exam?February 18, 2023 at 7:58 am #679071Short answer no they are not interchangeable.
They have different meanings depending on context. E.g. “significant deficiency” and “material misstatement”.
To say that something is of significance (or not) to the financial statements the term is material/immaterial. But not when talking about something unrelated to the financial statements.
February 18, 2023 at 9:23 am #679075so when the question asks about significant Risks of Material Misstatement (ROMM) it will include material to financial statements and significance to the users understanding of the financial statements. for example, the lack of disclosure of vital information is material by nature because of its importance/significance to the user’s understanding. It constitutes ROMM for that reason. is that correct?
secondly, In such questions, considering the use of the specific term(significant), are there possibilities of ROMM that are not significant? I thought all ROMM is significant as the name sounds it is already material and therefore important/significant. this is where I get confused.
I am getting over-conscious of the examiner’s terms.February 18, 2023 at 11:07 am #679090Please DO download the notes and use the search functionality – “significant RoMM” is a technical term – page 55. Clearly you wouldn’t say “material RoMM” – since “material” is a given. As I said, material and significant have different meanings. A RoMM is not automatically significant – although revenue recognition is (because ISA 240 says so!)
Remember that ISA 315 is about identification and ASSESSMENT – not all identified RoMM will require a specific response – ISA 330 is about responding to ASSESSED risks of misstatement. Significant RoMM will always require a response.
February 21, 2023 at 5:32 pm #679350Got it now. All identified risk that requires a response is significant. that is a good summary.
thanks.February 21, 2023 at 8:24 pm #679358Yay!
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