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Audit procedures

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  • This topic has 9 replies, 2 voices, and was last updated 7 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • March 17, 2018 at 9:19 am #442844
    mumbaikar
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    Im very much sure craming the procedures is useless. However regarding procedures of lets say work in progress, std cost in ias 2, and some other not so simple units ,is very difficult for me as a person never involved in audit. Thus can u give me any tips on remembering and generating valid points on procedures

    March 17, 2018 at 3:39 pm #442870
    MikeLittle
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    Very simply … use your common sense!

    How would you go about confirming the quantities, condition, valuation, existence, ownership and presentation of inventory

    Well? How would you do it?

    Answer me with some common sense answers and then I’ll see if I can add anything

    OK?

    March 17, 2018 at 4:08 pm #442874
    mumbaikar
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    Okay
    For Work in progress
    -Count the actual WIP and compare with the figure in balance sheet
    -analytical procedures comparing last yr to this yr WIP
    -Check the figure to be in balance sheet under current asset

    However sir when i open the textbook its really annoying to see such complex procedures its out of my scope!

    March 17, 2018 at 5:15 pm #442875
    MikeLittle
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    What on Earth do you mean “Count the work in progress and compare with the figure in the balance sheet”?!!!

    Ok, say there are 15 items in progress. Now, where in the statement of financial position (NOT the balance sheet) will you find this figure of 15?

    What do you mean “Check the figure to be in balance sheet under current asset”!!!

    Check the figure to what? And why? And how?

    “Analytical procedures” sounds to be a plural – you’ve mentioned just one

    How about confirming existence?

    And condition?

    And ownership?

    And valuations?

    Go back to basics – the assertions – and then take each one and try to apply common sense as to how you could confirm each of those assertions

    P7 Auditing is NOT a paper to start memorising lists of procedures. It’s a fine example of the application of common sense. As a non-auditor you are, in fact, probably in a better position than all those Big 4 audit personnel!

    Why? Because they tend not to write down matters that are glaringly obvious whereas you, with no audit experience, will write down anything and everything that may be even remotely relevant

    And the beauty is … it’s all common sense

    Now, have another go at the problem that I’ve set for you and see if you can’t get some sensible points down … and then I’ll see if I can add anything

    OK?

    March 17, 2018 at 6:11 pm #442881
    mumbaikar
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    -Inspect condition of the inventory and consider the need of any obsolete to be expensed if nrv is lower
    -Observe the process of manufacture and decide whether the product(WIP) is actually in progress or needs to be a complete product(closing)
    -Enquire of management the calculation used to value its NRV

    Thanks for following up rapidly!
    One more qn for you
    The way u said think abt existence valuation etc etc do i have to think all this to generate procedures?

    March 17, 2018 at 9:12 pm #442892
    MikeLittle
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    Of course you do! How else are you going to start ascertaining the reliability of management’s figure for inventory?

    Your post above is better than the previous effort … but you’re still missing LOADS!

    Apply common sense!

    Change the subject – I have a car. It’s on my statement of financial position at a value of $18,000

    Audit that asset!

    March 18, 2018 at 7:22 am #442910
    mumbaikar
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    Thanks for such motivational exercise
    For the car
    -Enquire management on the model used
    -Recalculate the NBV and Depreciation
    -Inspect the asset register to see completeness
    -physically verify the car in the Company
    -If any accounting policy changes have occurred,check for management bias
    -if fair value has been used make sure IFRS 13 is complied to value it through active markets

    March 18, 2018 at 8:13 am #442914
    MikeLittle
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    “Standard” matters that you could include when answering a “procedures” question:

    Board minutes
    Talk to management
    Last year’s file
    Cash entries
    Third party certificates
    Adds and calcs
    Internal controls
    Internal auditors
    Audit committee

    Not all of these will necessarily be relevant to any individual procedures question, but many of them could be

    Have you tried, when considering audit procedures to audit assets and liabilities, to use the mnemonic DISCOVER?

    Documents of title (ownership documents)
    Internal controls
    Standards and statute
    Certificates from third parties
    Observation
    Valuation
    Events, trends and ratios (subsequent events and analytical review)
    Recording within the accounting records and the annual financial statements

    Use DISCOVER to stimulate the thought processes – it could help

    OK?

    March 18, 2018 at 8:16 am #442915
    mumbaikar
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    Thank you sir! It was helpful

    March 18, 2018 at 8:19 am #442916
    MikeLittle
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    You’re welcome

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