- October 4, 2019 at 9:39 am
Anyone who did Carillion for their organisation and has been failed and told this was not a suitable organisation for Topic 17 MUST appeal .
In Period 37 I had 3 students who used Carillion and all passed, and in P38 I had 5 people who submitted on Carillion (one of whom 1 got an A) however one was told:
“Because Carillion went into liquidation there was no adequate response to the emerging financial problems. For this reason Carillion is not the most suitable choice of company for RAP Topic 17”.
‘Emerging financial problems’ ???? Excuse me – but there had been signs of weak governance for YEARS and the Board response was to ignore them and pay themselves handsomely and pretend that ‘everything in the garden was rosy’: there was no impairment of goodwill, the deficit on the employees pension schemes were increasing, debts were rising, the cash was decreasing, the Auditors were negligent and failed to spot the aggressive accounting policies, short-sellers were shorting the shares and as my student who failed pointed out, institutional shareholders had for several years been divesting their shares.
No response then from the company at all then?
The House of Commons Report must also have got it all wrong then when they concluded that “The mystery is not that it [Carillion] collapsed, but how it kept going for so longOctober 9, 2019 at 1:34 pm
Today I have received this email from OBU. I have failed to apply formulae in spreadsheet cells as per their initial feedback. I emailed them to update me some information regarding resubmission and they sent me this today.
” I have looked at the excel document and there may have been a problem with downloading the document on the first occasion of marking, as I have manged to find some evidence, albeit very little, of formulae being used. Therefore, I will ask the administrative team to remove the fail grade for the I.T. section of the Research Report, for technical reasons; this means that every section has been given a pass. This will take some time to show on your results sheet. ”
Would you please tell me what that this mean? Waiting for your valuable replyOctober 9, 2019 at 3:30 pm
It means that your fail for IT has been reversed. If that was the only part of your report that failed it means that it will now be passed. If that was the only thing you failed overall then as this is now pass it means that you will have passed – but the last bit of the email is a bit confusing…..
My interpretation of the last bit is that however if you failed the SLS or presentation previously I think it means that although pending the change this may show as pass the changed grade will only affect your report – and any previous fails in SLS and presentation will remain – at least that’s what I think they are trying to say!October 9, 2019 at 4:42 pm
Thank you for your reply. This was my first attempt and I have passed all the elements of RR and SLS except this IT section. In that case can I consider myself now that I have passed in overall RAP? And what will be their next? I mean will they mail my updated RAP result and grade in the next email or they will confirm that I have passed? Pls answer as I am very tensed. thank you again.October 10, 2019 at 9:22 am
Then it looks from all of the evidence that you have passed and they will probably formally confirm this shortly. Let us know the outcome but in the meantime please chill baby, chill!October 10, 2019 at 10:34 am
Thank you for ur reply. I will post the final outcome as soon as I receive it. And thank u for giving me some hope. I am feeling better now 🙂October 12, 2019 at 3:21 pmOctober 21, 2019 at 10:29 am
Can anyone tell me how long does it take to get the answer? I had emailed my appeal last friday so its more than a week now and there is no reply. I am afraid if the appeal is not successful i may not have enough time to edit my RAP for re submission next month.October 21, 2019 at 2:01 pm
It takes up to 10 working days before they tell you whether your appeal is admissible or not. If it is admissible – great, you need to wait extra 20 working days now. so if you sent your appeal on Friday 11th, then you will get:
– initial response by Oct 25th, and
– final response by Nov 22nd.November 12, 2019 at 10:15 am
Does anyone here know how long does administration team take to send you your pass letter with your class of degree once your appeal succeeds i.e. when you are passed by appeals officer decision?
ThanksApril 3, 2020 at 8:43 pm
Hope you are well,
I just needed clarification regarding the following
How exactly does the appeals procedure work?
Do I need to make a payment for this procedure?
What is the timeframe for the procedure?
Regarding the matter to be appealed, the following are the marker comments and my reasons for appealing;
1) ”You need to apply a wider range of ratios to your work. Currently there are only 6, with 2
very similar (Quick and current ratios). There is no consideration of efficiency ratios,
working capital ratios and limited application of risk ratios.”
a) The marker commented I have only done 6 ratios, which is not enough to cover the topic, when in fact I have done 8 ratios, they explicitly mention I have not done efficiency when I have.
b) They mention I have not done working capital ratios and in the same statement say my quick and current ratios (which are working capital ratios) are similar???
2) “On page 34 of the Information Pack it states that “It is not acceptable to edit a preprepared template for either the Research Report, spreadsheet or presentation (even if
this has been provided by your mentor)”. Your spreadsheet appears to be based on a
template that was created in 2015.”
a) So I worked on the same EXCEL FILE that my mentor provided and saved my work on it, however I changed the structure of the template and the file radically but still saved the file on the same excel (because of this the excel properties shows as created by my mentor). Is this appealable? I have the original file my mentor sent and my file, can I show the differences and argue my case?
Lastly if the appeal for the excel part [(2)] is heldup, is it possible they change the fail for the part mentioned in [(1)] regarding ratios?April 4, 2020 at 2:28 am
Someone please help me out, my topic was 17 in recent submittion period 17. The examiner told me that they failed me on a technical aspect that I WAS UNABLE TO SUBMIT A SPREADSHEET which was a requirement of the project. But, my mentor told me that do not need one for this topic.
Please guide me on how appeal as I have worked so hard on this project. Following are my remarks:
Feedback is provided where a criteria is a Fail
Technical and Professional Skills
1. Understanding of Accountancy/Business Models: Pass
2. Application of Accountancy/Business Models: Pass
3. Evaluation of Information, Analysis And Conclusions: Pass
4. Presentation of Project Findings: Pass
Overall Technical and Professional Skills: Pass
5. Communication: Pass
6. Information Gathering and Referencing: Pass
7. Information Technology: Fail
You have not submitted a spreadsheet. It is a project requirement to include a
spreadsheet and within it demonstrate your proficiency in generating data from the use of
Overall Graduate Skills: Fail
Research Report overall assessment: Fail
Skills & Learning Statement
8. Self-reflection: Pass
9. Communication Skills (inc Presentation): Pass
Skills and Learning Statement overall assessment: Pass
Overall RAP Result: Fail
You have produced a competent project and reflective statement but unfortunately this is
a technical fail for the lack of the submission of a spreadsheet.
Moderator agrees with Marker’s commentsApril 4, 2020 at 7:38 am
This has been answered already elsewhere as you have posted the same question on 3 threadsApril 4, 2020 at 8:28 pm
@trephena I apologize, I posted the same question to 3 forums as I wasn’t sure which forum was the correct one.April 7, 2020 at 2:45 pm
leroymParticipantApril 7, 2020 at 6:59 pm
Very few appeals succeed because you cannot argue with ‘academic judgement’.
Investor ratios (ESP, P/E ratio) would be expected (and also gearing ratios). In essence you are questioning academic judgement as to which ratios are appropriate and therefore you are unlikely to be able to appeal successfully.
Regarding the spreadsheet unless you can prove you did the work this is open to doubt but possibly more likely to succeed here – it depends though on whether you set up the formulae or the mentor. They will have access to all the spreadsheets used by your mentor’s other mentees so yours would have to show it was significantly different especially in terms of formulas
If you succeed on one point it won’t quash the fail for both points -you need to succeed on both for the appeal to be upheldApril 8, 2020 at 6:28 am
There are no grounds for appeal against academic judgement alone.
If you can show the assessment criteria were not applied appropriately then that can be cited as grounds for an appeal.
Can you please talk some more about the distinction between assessment criteria not being applied vs academic judgement. This seems like a very fine line.April 8, 2020 at 7:38 am
The system is fixed -apart from in very clear cut situations e.g. they say your spreadsheet did not contain formulae and it did. Anything else they will say is your opinion and you are querying academic judgment.
In P38 one of my students was failed for referencing -the criteria were (but have subsequently been changed) – referencing is mostly absent. So we counted the number of instances where this was the case (i assess MBA dissertations so I have the right background to do this) and we came up with the FACTS that referencing was at least 71% present -so how could it by definition be mostly absent??
They still ignored the mathematical principle that a greater number by definition must be more than a smaller number and said we were querying academic judgment!
They use ‘academic judgment’ as a ‘get-out-of-jail-free’ card and it is just an excuse most of the time and cover for BAD marking
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