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Accounting for associate

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  • This topic has 15 replies, 3 voices, and was last updated 8 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • February 1, 2017 at 4:24 pm #370592
    hemraj123
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    Sir, supposing that there is a sale of goods between parent and associate, do we reduce the inventory in consolidated SOFP?
    what would be the credit entry in this case?

    Thanks

    February 1, 2017 at 4:33 pm #370596
    MikeLittle
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    Why would you reduce the inventory?

    There is NO entry in the inventory account when a sale is being recorded. (This is an F3 topic!)

    It’s either Dr Receivables and Cr Revenue

    or it’s

    Dr Cash and Cr Revenue

    So where’s the entry in Inventory?

    February 1, 2017 at 4:53 pm #370613
    hemraj123
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    I’m sorry sir, I forgot to mention the elimination of PUP. How is PUP dealt with in equity accounting? Debit would be retained earnings. Do we credit inventory?

    February 1, 2017 at 8:34 pm #370647
    MikeLittle
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    No – by debiting retained earnings you have reduced the equity section of the statement of financial position

    The other effect is to reduce the figure for Investment in Associate and that adjustment is done automatically when you are calculating working W5A

    I have to say that other tuition providers appear to reduce the combined inventory but I remain convinced that my method is substantially easier and is not going to make any difference between a pass / fail result

    February 2, 2017 at 6:54 pm #370826
    hemraj123
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    So, supposing in an MCQ a question asks if this affects the inventory, then should the answer be yes?

    February 2, 2017 at 9:27 pm #370837
    MikeLittle
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    No, the credit entry will be to Investment in Associate

    February 4, 2017 at 11:07 am #371025
    hemraj123
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    Understood. Thank you sir 🙂

    February 4, 2017 at 2:16 pm #371041
    MikeLittle
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    You’re welcome

    February 7, 2017 at 1:21 pm #371470
    Mercy
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    Good day Sir,

    Kindly help in the question below from BPP pg179. I understand figures are omitted from the stated SOFP, this is because my question is on note 5 and there will be no need for figures.

    Question- The statements of financial position of J Co and its investee companies, P Co and 20X5 are shown below.

    STATEMENTS OF FINANCIAL POSITION AS AT 31 DECEMBER 20X5
    Non-current assets
    Freehold property Plant and machinery Investments
    Current assets
    Inventory
    Trade receivables Cash
    Total assets
    Equity and liabilities Equity
    Share capital – $1 shares Retained earnings
    Non-current liabilities
    12% loan stock
    Current liabilities
    Trade payables Bank overdraft
    Total equity and liabilities

    NOTE:
    J Co acquired ordinary shares in P Co on 1 January 20X0 for $1,000,000 when the retained earnings of P Co were $200,000.
    2 At the date of acquisition of P Co, the fair value of its freehold property was considered to be $400,000 greater than its value in P Co’s statement of financial position. P Co had acquired the property in January 20W0 and the buildings element (comprising 50% of the total value) is depreciated on cost over 50 years.
    3 J Co acquired 225,000 ordinary shares in S Co on 1 January 20X4 for $500,000 when the retained earnings of S Co were $150,000.
    4 P Co manufactures a component used by both J Co and S Co. Transfers are made by P Co at cost plus 25%. J Co held $100,000 inventory of these components at 31 December 20X5. In the same period J Co sold goods to S Co of which S Co had $80,000 in inventory at 31 December 20X5. J Co had marked these goods up by 25%.
    5 THE GOODWiLL IN P Co is impaired and should be fully written off. An impairment loss of $92,000 is to be recognised on the investment in S Co.
    6 Non-controlling interest is valued at full fair value. P Co shares were trading at $1.60 just prior to the acquisition by J Co.

    Sir, the question says the goodwill in PCo is impaired. This I translated as impairment loss to be CR to goodwill in consolidated SOFP and Dr to retained earning of the group and NCI according to their shares. However, the solution from BPP Dr PCo retained earning with impairment loss and CR consolidated SOFP. Having looked at the question again, I thought if it is PCo goodwill, could it be the reason it was CR to its R.E. Then why is the other entry on consolidated goodwill if it is for PCo
    Kindly shed more light on the entry please and explain the logic behind BPP entries.
    Thank you for your time on this.

    February 7, 2017 at 1:48 pm #371474
    MikeLittle
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    Mercy, this has nothing to do with the thread title … Accounting for Associate

    Please repost with an appropriate thread heading and, if possible, give me an exam reference from which this question has been borrowed by BPP

    February 8, 2017 at 12:05 pm #371598
    Mercy
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    Hello Sir,

    Thank you for your prompt response to my question.

    Regarding the thread title, the question posted is taken from BPP study test, chapter 10 ‘accounting for associate,. It is the last question solved on page 179. The requirement is to account for both associate and subsidiary. Although, the challenging part for me is on the impairment loss posted on the subsidiary retained earning.

    I m sorry, I could not find the exam reference from the study test.

    Thank you once again for your time.

    February 8, 2017 at 1:42 pm #371613
    MikeLittle
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    This makes no sense “The statements of financial position of J Co and its investee companies, P Co and 20X5 are shown below.”

    Nor does this “Having looked at the question again, I thought if it is PCo goodwill, could it be the reason it was CR to its R.E”

    I don’t have to hand any BPP material nor any Kaplan, nor any other approved publisher material

    If it is genuinely an impairment of the goodwill that arose on the acquisition of the subsidiary, I would agree with you that the debit is to the consolidated retained earnings (parent’s percentage) and to the nci (their percentage)

    Your omission of figures doesn’t help either!

    If you look at the original post that started this thread, I believe that you would understand when I say that your question has nothing to do with the thread

    February 8, 2017 at 3:36 pm #371641
    Mercy
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    Good day Sir,
    I understand regarding the post thread, especially given my incomplete question. It looks like group account question.
    Also, I do apologise for my assumption that you have the BPP study test with you. For more clarification, please find the full question is posted now.

    Question
    The statements of financial position of J Co and its investee companies, P Co and SCo at 31 December 20X5 are shown below.

    STATEMENTS OF FINANCIAL POSITION AS AT 31 DECEMBER 20X5
    Non current assets. J $’000. P $’000. S $’000
    Freehold property 1950. 1250. 500
    Plant and machinery 795. 375. 285
    Investments. 1500. – –

    ________. _______. _______
    4245. 1625. 785

    Inventory 575. 300. 26
    Trade receivable 330. 290. 370
    Cash 50. 120. 20
    ______. ______. ______
    Total assets. 955. 710. 655

    Equity and liabilities

    Share capital – $1 shares 20000. 1000 750
    Retained earnings. 1460. 885. 390
    _______. ______. ______
    3460 1885. 1140

    Non current liab
    12% loan stock. 500. 100. .
    Current liabilities
    Trade payables 680. 350. 300
    Bank overdraft. 560. – –
    ________. _______. ______
    1240. 350. 300
    _________. ________. ________
    Total equity/ liab. 5200. 2335. 1440

    1) J Co acquired 600,000 ordinary shares in PCo on 1 Jan 20×0 for $1M when the rest earning of P Co were $200,000.
    2 At the date of acquisition of P Co, the fair value of its freehold property was considered to be $400,000 greater than its value in P Co’s statement of financial position. P Co had acquired the property in January 20W0 and the buildings element (comprising 50% of the total value) is depreciated on cost over 50 years.
    3 J Co acquired 225,000 ordinary shares in S Co on 1 January 20X4 for $500,000 when the retained earnings of S Co were $150,000.
    4 P Co manufactures a component used by both J Co and S Co. Transfers are made by P Co at cost plus 25%. J Co held $100,000 inventory of these components at 31 December 20X5. In the same period J Co sold goods to S Co of which S Co had $80,000 in inventory at 31 December 20X5. J Co had marked these goods up by 25%.
    5 The goodwill in P Co is impaired and should be fully written off. An impairment loss of $92,000 is to be recognised on the investment in S Co.
    6 Non-controlling interest is valued at full fair value. P Co shares were trading at $1.60 just prior to the acquisition by J Co.

    Required
    Prepare, in a format suitable for inclusion in the annual report of the J Group, the consolidated statement of financial position at 31 December 20X5.

    My workings

    After all the adjustment, the goodwill was Calt as follows:
    $’000. $’000
    Consideration transfer 1000
    NCI. (1.60*400,000). 640

    Sub FV @ acqsn
    Share. 1000
    R.ear. 200
    Asset adjust 400. 1600
    ________ ___________
    40
    Impairment loss. (40)

    –
    NOTE 5 says, the goodwill in PCo is impaired and should be fully written off. I’m I right in imparing group goodwill ? Or is it referring to another goodwill in PCo.

    According to BPP, it was that goodwill impairment loss (40,000)that was deducted from PCo R.earning while I Dr it to group and NCI according to their percentage share.
    That affected the post acquisition Ret earning for consolidated SOFP

    Thank you.

    February 8, 2017 at 3:47 pm #371649
    MikeLittle
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    It shouldn’t have affected the post-acquisition retained earnings

    Think about this for just a moment …

    We can either:

    1) take our share of post-acquisition retained earnings and then deduct our share of the impairment at the same time as deducting the nci share of the impairment, or

    2) we can deduct the full impairment from the post-acquisition retained earnings and then allocate our share to consolidated retained earnings and the nci share to the calculation of their investment

    If we take 60% of $X and then deduct 60% of $Y, is that not the same as taking 60% of $(X-Y)

    OK?

    February 8, 2017 at 4:27 pm #371665
    Mercy
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    Thank you ever so much sir. Having read through your explanation, I realised that it shouldn’t have make any difference to post acqsn R.E so I went back to my calculation. There was a mistake on my part while adding up my figures. That was the cause of difference between my answer and BPP answer, not the fact that impairment loss was deducted from subsidiary RE.

    My sincere gratitude for your time and effort, it is much appreciated. And do have a good evening.

    February 8, 2017 at 8:32 pm #371676
    MikeLittle
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    You’re welcome

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