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- September 7, 2020 at 8:00 pm #583911
Questions 2 for me was about provision for legal claim and leases. I don’t remember anything about held for sale and chairman report etc.. I did the international version.
Does that mean you did the UK one and I am assuming other people did the UK one as the question are slightly different?
September 7, 2020 at 8:01 pm #583912This is what I said too. Phew! There was also something along the lines of employees being asked to sell goods on cruise as that stream of the business accounted for high margins. Any audit risk in that respect?
September 7, 2020 at 8:01 pm #583913Yeh I am wondering the same.. As some of the questions people have put on these comments I don’t recognize at all!!
September 7, 2020 at 8:17 pm #583919@queen1234 I added this as a separate risk. Managers put pressure on staff as operating margin is high on these type of sales so there is a perceived risk of earnings management
September 7, 2020 at 8:18 pm #583920Question.1 26 marks
A-Audit risk(Detection risk as is a new client,segment reporting,related parties,revenue, hacked system-control risk,Depreciation ,impairment, consolidation issue regarding acquisitions during the year,license amortization)
B- audit procedures on segment revenues (was not very confident here but fluffed through it)
C-Matters auditor should consider before engagement to provide management advise on social & environmental (I out competence and skills,Ethics,possibility of using expert due to unfamiliar territory,considering if adequate resources) can’t remember what else I wrote.
D-Benefits of data analytics (quality audit,fraud detection,manipulation of data,information that management can use )
September 7, 2020 at 8:19 pm #583921Your Q2 sounds like my Q3. Matters to consider for a provision and lease? And then audit reports appraisal?
September 7, 2020 at 8:25 pm #583922We were asked to wear masks and majority of us wore them, I did remove mine at my desk but put it back on when I moved away to go toilet and when I left.
Otherwise things as per normal.
I would advise organising the screens into different sizes for each question. Put the information in the top half of your screen with the requirement in one bottom corner and your answer page in the other corner.
This helped me to see all screens. I rotated the information screen to whatever info I needed.
It does take a few minutes to set up but definitely saved time swapping between screens.
All the best
September 7, 2020 at 8:30 pm #583923nobody is talking about analytical review, afterall the draft fs was for a reason, and materiality calculations all the way…. i am hoping to secure marks in these areas, to make up for potential pitfalls from this exam…
September 7, 2020 at 8:32 pm #583924There was not that many figures given to calculate materiality? The only materiality figure i calculated was for the expenditure of £75m on the ships…
September 7, 2020 at 8:32 pm #583925Was there a subsidary acquired in the year? Missed this risk!! I hate how they said “do not include exchange rate risks” ?
September 7, 2020 at 8:33 pm #583926The audit risk question was very challenging, there wasn’t a lot of background on the question to justify 26 marks and from what I remember there were only 3 flagged issues from the financial information. Although I must say that the rest of the paper was fair but time pressure was the biggest issue.
September 7, 2020 at 8:35 pm #583927AAA is 90% technique and 10% new knowledge. the other knowledge you must have got via AA. AAA is about technique in answering questions. There is a pattern in answering AAA. By just reading the text, you will not get this. So please please don’t waste your time like I have. I am confident I will pass this time.
September 7, 2020 at 8:41 pm #5839281 division purchased ships in the year..depreciation charge should be apportioned and not full year.
Please note this was my approach and of course could be wrong. Paper was bulky and my aim was to attempt all questions
September 7, 2020 at 8:43 pm #583929Yeh I said incentive to make more money can lead to manipulation of revenue, management bias in showing high revenue. Not sure if this was a valid point tbh though
September 7, 2020 at 8:44 pm #583930The invigilator doesn’t bother you. You pretty much will not notice him/her there. They only come up when you summon them via chat and if need be they will give you a call to the number provided. You are recorded for the entire examination. Before the start of the exam, you are required to take a picture of your front, back, left and right. The only thing is you need to be in a quiet room with not movement. You are allowed a 10min break. Always communicate to your examiner before and after any break. Go only when approved and take less than 10mins. My experience was great and no pressure from examiner.
September 7, 2020 at 8:45 pm #583931Yeh that’s right audit appraisal report after. So did the rest did the UK version then? I don’t recognize held for sale discontinued ops unless I completely missed it!!
September 7, 2020 at 8:46 pm #583932What version did you do, int or UK? I don’t see or remember this point at all
September 7, 2020 at 8:53 pm #583934There were not many issues to justify 26 marks period… Its like they expected us to bring audit risks from home with so little background information and 3 flagged issues from the financial information….
September 7, 2020 at 9:01 pm #583936Have APM on Wednesday so trying to move on and stay optimistic here too. Good luck with your AFM.
September 7, 2020 at 9:04 pm #583937Okay guys!!!
Q1
a) Audit risks ( interest repayable on both loan amounts are material and should be capitalised up until ships are ready for use. Risk they will still be capitalised after asset is ready, Licence issue with sub material to revenue, will impact cash flow and revenue projections so risk revenue overstated, related party inadequate disclosure risk, Indicator of impairment for the older ships so assets may be understated and PBT overstated, Assets held for sale/disposal (ships and gym equipment) risk not presented seperately (?), Intangible assets should be also be presented seperately, not as part of PPE, Non-Compliance and weak Internal controls re cyber attack, so possible litigations and revocation of licenses but have to quantify how material this will be, etc)
b) audit procedure for the Group’s revenue (Correspondences to confirm govt intention for the loss of licence to be temporary and any further plans or terms that may indicate when to permit use, Enquire with mgmt re the impact on group’s revenue of licence loss, note down issues that it may raise and how it will impact revenue, Analytical procedure on revenue figure, does it make sense? compare to past years and industry avgs, are mgmt assumptions plausible? (Can’t remember anything else I put now).
c) Matters to consider before take up offer on the social and environment information,which will report to regulation ( Self review if will be audited later, Whether use of the report is appropriate e.g on the website?, Will carrying out the work affect independence and objectivity, possible exposure to legal proceedings as will be perceived as advocating for company as other users may rely on this, reporting on Social and environmental issues may inadvertently lead to Auditors assuming mgmt responsibilities which is prohibited under standards). Was this the time pressured one? I also put did they even have enough staff with the expertise?
d)benefit of use of data analytic for audit work ( No time! forced myself to leave this one to move on).
Q2
a) Evaluation of 2 issues.and implication on completion and impact on audit report
Issue 1:
(Sale of division after year end,IFRS5 ,discontinued (major) operation, disclosure required as division accounts for over 10% revenue and 10% profits reported and is material. Also, event according to standards is an adjusting event as even though the sale will happen shortly after year end, conditions indicating this already exist right now and therefore mgmt point re next year’s results is incorrect and not compliant. Negotiations are at an advanced stage and already found a buyer so will likely have to derecognise the division shortly as sale is likely now. As will have material impact that will eventually become pervasive to the presentation of the reports, I put the opinion would be adverse if they won’t disclose the sale? because then the rest of the division’s results won’t mean much. Not sure if “except for” though.(change of IFRS 16 Lease. Lease was material and also change of accounting policies in standards means a change must be made retrospectively for all the leases held in the same class. If mgmt won’t make the change, definitely a qualified ‘except for’ opinion in auditor’s report.
Issue 2:
b) Responsibility of auditor in other information& impact on auditor’s reportChairman’s statement had contradictory info. Auditors should address inconsistency by putting a statement/clause in Audit report that their responsibility is solely to provide an opinion on the financial statements and are not responsible for opinion and nor does their opinion extend to the chairman’s statement. Also the chairman claimed all printing moved to recyled paper but auditors have evidence otherwise. They will need to evaluate whether this claim throws into doubt any other evidence obtained during the Audit. Lastly, can address this inconsistency in the ‘Other information’ heading in the Audit report.
Q3
a)Comments on planning of audit, ethical And professional matters during quality control review and further actions (Engagement partner responsible for direction supervision and planning of audit. Bob spent just 2 hours so obvs throws into doubt quality of audit. Also familiarity threat, self review threat by accepting non-audit service whilst also serving as engagement partner, The Audit manager isn’t at the level of expertise to be able to sign off the final review, nor does she have the authority to do so. Should be responsibility of engagement partner. Also Junior accountant – should also be engagement partner’s responsibility to ensure the team are well experienced and qualified which our lovely Bob has evidently failed to do. So I put that substantive procedures would need to be done on Junior’s work as she may have been susceptible to threats of intimidation and therefore objectivity.b)Evaluation of issues to be considered before accepting the Audit of the Group ( With a lot of the subs being foreign, will framework apply to all/most? expertise and experience of staff, resources available for the work, Due dilligence ID checks for fraud and money laundering legal requirement, possible litigation going on, how material is this? think they can’t accept engagement if it’s a big’un but correct me if I’m wrong. Wildfire going on..how would that affect reputation? and then going concern if fines, penalties? also have to rely on other auditors for the components..would they be able to trust their work?
Time management has always been an issue for me but I’m hoping to have at least given myself a fair shot! fingers crossed!!!!!
September 7, 2020 at 9:05 pm #583938Not sure if my answer was right but I said there were deposit and I think another set of payment 6 weeks before cruise takes off. There is risk revenue recognise earlier than when performance obligation is met.
September 7, 2020 at 9:05 pm #583939*Assets may be overstated
September 7, 2020 at 9:08 pm #583940I think I did 3 analytical reviews just comparing yoy revenue, operating profit and PBIT. Did use them to identify one risk…
September 7, 2020 at 9:14 pm #583941I could not do my paper, technical issues – my exam never launched – the internet kept disconnecting jus before the launch of exam. Ah ! Dont kno whta next
September 7, 2020 at 9:33 pm #583942Yep I did same and my risk was that increase in operating margin wasn’t correlated with increase in revenue so there may be incorrectly classified expenses. I talked about depreciation too. Wasn’t smart enough to link it to the 6 month acquisition but I said the increase in depreciation wasn’t in line with increase in assets. Hopefully got the materiality marks
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