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- December 2, 2019 at 5:50 pm #554490
@cjacko said:
Which Qu was this, the one asking what extra info would be needed?Q3A
December 2, 2019 at 5:59 pm #554491Q3a was about the matters to query with manager about intangible assets
And part 2 what additional information needed on their financingDecember 2, 2019 at 6:05 pm #554492@uzair52 said:
Q3a was about the matters to query with manager about intangible assets
And part 2 what additional information needed on their financingMind sharing how you answered it?
December 2, 2019 at 6:06 pm #554493Overall good paper, however, if you did not have time pressure then you should be worried about the quality of your answers. I managed to cover about 85% of the paper and am confident of a pass
December 2, 2019 at 6:16 pm #554494@ezehrobinson said:
Mind sharing how you answered it?I struggled with the intangibles part. The requirement asked for ‘specific’ questions to ask management and there wasn’t much to glean from the info (unless I totally missed it), so I said inquire about any known or suspected breaches of the licensing regulations and for the patent – was there any new technological advances or processes that management was aware of that might affect the value of the patent.
December 2, 2019 at 6:19 pm #554495Did anyone one write on assets held for sell on the machinery held by the West mill in question 1?
December 2, 2019 at 6:20 pm #554496@Fidget said:
I struggled with the intangibles part. The requirement asked for ‘specific’ questions to ask management and there wasn’t much to glean from the info (unless I totally missed it), so I said inquire about any known or suspected breaches of the licensing regulations and for the patent – was there any new technological advances or processes that management was aware of that might affect the value of the patent.I struggled too on that question.
How about the second part on Financing?
December 2, 2019 at 6:22 pm #554497@lizzyzingel said:
Did anyone one write on assets held for sell on the machinery held by the West mill in question 1?Yep i did. It was an audit risk but also the procedures in part c(i) related to that. Stated it was material and possibly overstated if fair value estimation not accurate
December 2, 2019 at 6:25 pm #554498@ezehrobinson said:
I struggled too on that question.How about the second part on Financing?
For financing I added;
Venture Capital – are there are any terms or bonus targets which may impact funding or result in additional costs
Loan – are there are covenants which could be breached risking PPE
D/E ratio compare to prior year, has Gearing deteriorated?December 2, 2019 at 6:27 pm #554499Anyone say that the hedging misstatement was not material? I calculated it at 0.1% of Revenue/assets, so not material, but I concluded audit opinion was still qualified in aggregate. Anyone else?
December 2, 2019 at 6:30 pm #554500@kbourne said:
Yep i did. It was an audit risk but also the procedures in part c(i) related to that. Stated it was material and possibly overstated if fair value estimation not accurateYes, I did too under IFRS5 reporting as a discontinued operation.
December 2, 2019 at 6:39 pm #554501@ezehrobinson said:
I struggled too on that question.How about the second part on Financing?
I thought that was easier.
* Equity Shares: get the detail to confirm the T&Cs of them to rule out any buy-back etc
* Loan secured on PPE: Get loan agreement to see what the conditions are and find out which assets it’s actually secured on.
* Venture Capital: Get the agreement to gauge what risks are involved.That was my general gist of them.
December 2, 2019 at 6:42 pm #554502Business Risks-dependence on local farmers,international trading risks,Brand power threats,legal case, Redundancy…???
December 2, 2019 at 6:48 pm #554503@lizzyzingel said:
Business Risks-dependence on local farmers,international trading risks,Brand power threats,legal case, Redundancy…???What did you make of the legal case? It was the company taking others to court. It’s usually the other way round, so it kinda threw me a bit.
December 2, 2019 at 6:49 pm #554504I had Modified (material misstatement), not modified (immaterial misstatement) and Modified (for luck of disclosure of contingent per IFRS requirement).. In that order 🙂
December 2, 2019 at 6:56 pm #554506What was the treatment for share based payment plan in Q1? Mine was 1000/2/1.7 = 294 * 850 employees ( 1000-150 ) = $250,000 expense (material to profit and loss) should be recognised over the vesting period and calculation should be based on the fair value of share options at grant date so there might be a material misstatement that management does not take at grant date resulting in misstatement.
December 2, 2019 at 8:13 pm #554512I calculated 1000 options * 1.7 FV * 1000 employees=1700000/1000000 to convert it into millions so got 1.7 and it was material so recognise the expense over the vesting period.
December 2, 2019 at 8:21 pm #554513Oh no. After reading all these comments I don’t feel as though I have written professionally enough or covered enough area to obtain a pass. Everything I commented on was pretty obvious and basic and definitely didn’t write enough about the audit risks. I really struggled to find them. Ethics was fairly straightforward but now I’m questioning whether I did that well enough!
December 2, 2019 at 8:37 pm #554516Yeah I wrote discontinued operations as an audit risk and pretty confident that was one.
December 2, 2019 at 8:59 pm #554517Can anyone remember what the actual questions were?
I’m trying to total up where I might have scraped a pass!December 2, 2019 at 9:05 pm #554519@emwitton said:
Oh no. After reading all these comments I don’t feel as though I have written professionally enough or covered enough area to obtain a pass. Everything I commented on was pretty obvious and basic and definitely didn’t write enough about the audit risks. I really struggled to find them. Ethics was fairly straightforward but now I’m questioning whether I did that well enough!I won’t worry so much as long as what you wrote was well explained you should have done well.
I didn’t feel time pressure because I did what I knew and moved on, I tried not to stress as that then would have effected the quality of my next answer. Didn’t answer everything but managed to do what I knew, hope it’s enough.
I think I got the opinion questions wrong 🙁 I did modified except for for the first. Then unmodified and last one on legal action was modified except for. :/
I think I got most of the risks and procedures. I did 5 business risk for 2 marks each and about 8 or 9 audit risks including detection first on opening balances. There was a lot going on so lots of risks to pick out.
Procedures were straight forward inspection of minutes of meetings about closure of mill, physical inspection of mill and machinery for existence, inspection of non current register to confirm carrying value, request external expert for valuation of mill to compare to carrying value.
Share base procedures were inspect fair value of shares, inspect payroll leavers file to confirm staff turnover, inspect documents of terms and conditions of shares.
Question 2 was the toughest I thought.
December 2, 2019 at 9:28 pm #554524Just didn’t have enough time for Q1 – so much info to digest. Definitely missed a lot of audit risks – thought I’d have time to go back. Just didn’t want to jeopardise the rest of the paper. I thought Q2 was ok. Just wasn’t sure about the lack of information in relation to the legal case. I said it should be disclosed, it it wasn’t disclosed it could be adverse opinion & possible disclaimer if no further info could be received? It would be detrimental to the business. The first one was qualified and the second was not material.
December 2, 2019 at 9:44 pm #554526I wrote that this was a contingent liability as it was only possible, but that it should be disclosed. However not pervasive to the financial statements as a whole therefore qualified opinion. I also stated the forward contracts were immaterial but should still be corrected in line with ISA 450. Just threw that in hoping to grab 1/2 a mark 😉
December 2, 2019 at 9:47 pm #554529@sal2222 said:
I won’t worry so much as long as what you wrote was well explained you should have done well.I didn’t feel time pressure because I did what I knew and moved on, I tried not to stress as that then would have effected the quality of my next answer. Didn’t answer everything but managed to do what I knew, hope it’s enough.
I think I got the opinion questions wrong 🙁 I did modified except for for the first. Then unmodified and last one on legal action was modified except for. :/
I think I got most of the risks and procedures. I did 5 business risk for 2 marks each and about 8 or 9 audit risks including detection first on opening balances. There was a lot going on so lots of risks to pick out.
Procedures were straight forward inspection of minutes of meetings about closure of mill, physical inspection of mill and machinery for existence, inspection of non current register to confirm carrying value, request external expert for valuation of mill to compare to carrying value.
Share base procedures were inspect fair value of shares, inspect payroll leavers file to confirm staff turnover, inspect documents of terms and conditions of shares.
Question 2 was the toughest I thought.
You are making me feel better about my script, phew ?
I put about 5 business risks down and only managed 6 audit risks even know probably needed 10 to get the full 20 marks. Hopefully got at least 15/30 plus the 3 professional marks. Procedures were easy enough for sure pretty confident about IFRS5
December 2, 2019 at 9:52 pm #554530Q1 audit risk- there is no discontinued operation, since there is only plan to transfer the activity? Or I read wrong the task? So far I understood, there is machinery held for sale if the criteria are met. My English in not perfect and when I am nervous- it is even worser than I can. Kindly reply my- there was plan to relocate , or the relocation have been done in the reporting year?
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