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- June 4, 2018 at 5:11 pm #456107
@vorkath said:
Not necessarily.. business risk concerns the company as a whole.. as for RMM anything that may cause the FS to be materially misstated is fineSo i wrote for each division its fine ya?
June 4, 2018 at 5:13 pm #456110And for question 2 the answers i felt mine were pure reptition example the auditors lacked some competence and required training!
What abt others? acca examiner dislikes repetition i guessJune 4, 2018 at 5:14 pm #456113@mumbaikar said:
So i wrote for each division its fine ya?Yes, in fact there is a business risk in each of the division.. as long ask it is a business risk you should get the mark
June 4, 2018 at 5:14 pm #456114@mumbaikar said:
And for question 2 the answers i felt mine were pure reptition example the auditors lacked some competence and required training!
What abt others? acca examiner dislikes repetition i guessSame for me haha.. I suggested training quite a few times
June 4, 2018 at 5:17 pm #456115Q1
Business risk:Liquidity: 0.3m in cash with acquisition planned and already 0.7 gearing
Gearing: 70% liability, potential high interest cost and covenants
Continuity of funding on Residential: Government reducing funding on grants, it’s 25% of their Revenue, any going concern risk?
Exposure to Property market: On their commercial undevelopped land held at FVTPL, in case of market crash (2008), very large SOPL charge and risque of insolvency
Reputational: Disposal of the sub with redundancies, negative media coverage and strike with costsAudit risks:
Grants: Are they recognised in line with IAS20? Risk they are deferring when not allowed
Land: Investment property, requirement to FVTPL, incorrect 10K gain when it should be 1m loss, risk the rest of portfolio is misstated
Disposal of rail: Risk that the disposal of asset is incorrectly recorded, very material figure. Disclosure risk: Should be showing as Discontinued operation
Disposal of agriculture: Risk provision is overstated as training costs not allowed. Same risk as above, shoud show as discontinued operations. Risk of litigation if any redudancy deemed unfair dismissalAudit of restructuring provision:
*Recalculate employer calculations, agree to employee salary per GTN
*Obtain letter from ER to EEs, verify date
*Obtain copy of media coverage for audit file
*Ensure in line with employment law and taxation law for any taxable/non taxable lump sumAnyone with theirs? I feel like I could have missed loads
June 4, 2018 at 5:21 pm #456116AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Q5a) KAM 8 marks
b) Critically appraise 12 marksJune 4, 2018 at 5:25 pm #456119I done the UK variant. Can anyone tell me what the mark scheme was for Q1?
June 4, 2018 at 5:26 pm #456120Wait what there was a grant? Damn how I could I miss that.. must be me panicking to read everything
June 4, 2018 at 5:28 pm #456122@thomasperry123 said:
I done the UK variant. Can anyone tell me what the mark scheme was for Q1?a) Business risk 8 marks
b) RMM 12 marks
c) procedures 5 marks
d) ethical issue 6 marksJune 4, 2018 at 5:30 pm #456123AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Q1
a) Bus risks (8)
b) RoMm (12)
c) Restructuring Provision (5)
e) Ethical (6)
4 proffJune 4, 2018 at 5:35 pm #456124@bhonegger said:
Q1
Business risk:Liquidity: 0.3m in cash with acquisition planned and already 0.7 gearing
Gearing: 70% liability, potential high interest cost and covenants
Continuity of funding on Residential: Government reducing funding on grants, it’s 25% of their Revenue, any going concern risk?
Exposure to Property market: On their commercial undevelopped land held at FVTPL, in case of market crash (2008), very large SOPL charge and risque of insolvency
Reputational: Disposal of the sub with redundancies, negative media coverage and strike with costsAudit risks:
Grants: Are they recognised in line with IAS20? Risk they are deferring when not allowed
Land: Investment property, requirement to FVTPL, incorrect 10K gain when it should be 1m loss, risk the rest of portfolio is misstated
Disposal of rail: Risk that the disposal of asset is incorrectly recorded, very material figure. Disclosure risk: Should be showing as Discontinued operation
Disposal of agriculture: Risk provision is overstated as training costs not allowed. Same risk as above, shoud show as discontinued operations. Risk of litigation if any redudancy deemed unfair dismissalAudit of restructuring provision:
*Recalculate employer calculations, agree to employee salary per GTN
*Obtain letter from ER to EEs, verify date
*Obtain copy of media coverage for audit file
*Ensure in line with employment law and taxation law for any taxable/non taxable lump sumAnyone with theirs? I feel like I could have missed loads
Another point you could add for the provision is the sale agreement. In order to recognise a restructuring provision which relates to the sale of an operation, there must be a binding sale agreement. I explained that there must be evidence to support the claim that it is highly likely to sign the sale agreement. For the procedures: Review any correspondence between co. and potential buyer for evidence that he will sign the agreement
June 4, 2018 at 5:36 pm #456126@laurlou said:
Q1
a) Bus risks (8)
b) RoMm (12)
c) Restructuring Provision (5)
e) Ethical (6)
4 proffI remember if correct that there is sale of division . But the restructuring provision no announcement made right. And the restructuring is likely signed on august 2018 with is 1 month after year end .
Correct me if i am wrong
June 4, 2018 at 5:40 pm #456129@lesbella said:
I remember if correct that there is sale of division . But the restructuring provision no announcement made right. And the restructuring is likely signed on august 2018 with is 1 month after year end .Correct me if i am wrong
Question said that it is likely signed on June 2018 which is in the current year. As for the announcement I think that’s a valid point which I missed
June 4, 2018 at 5:52 pm #456131For the sale of boxer rail which have asset. The asset should have perform impairment review as there is indicator of poor sale. And asset held for sale. Fair value is subjective and complex right. One buyer for the sale is too simplistic right. Should get market value to identify correct valuation. .
Not sure is this stand for the sale of railway
I think there is ifrs 15 revenue recogition issue. Although not recorded for 10 percent. But there may be other contract with is recorded. Therefore i say revenue may be overstated
June 4, 2018 at 5:57 pm #456133@lesbella said:
For the sale of boxer rail which have asset. The asset should have perform impairment review as there is indicator of poor sale. And asset held for sale. Fair value is subjective and complex right. One buyer for the sale is too simplistic right. Should get market value to identify correct valuation. .Not sure is this stand for the sale of railway
I did not include those in my RoMM but your points seem justified and well explained.
And yes I remember writing something about IFRS15.. I wasnt sure of the exact requirements but I said that the construction contract should be recognised based on its stage of completion. Since work will only begin August 2018 he should not recognise profits. Need confirmation on this though
June 4, 2018 at 6:03 pm #456135Reluctantly voted ok in the poll, wasn’t ridiculous and i feel decent-ish about it.
TIME. That was the worst part in this exam. I think i managed to at least touch everything however.
Did 4 & 5 as the options. Ran from the CSR part of Q3. But didn’t like the first part of q5. Still went for it anyway and gave it my best
For the benefit of persons who’ll want to know what came:
Q1: Business risks, ROMM, ethical issues due to financing advice and preparing cash flow forecast, Audit procedures for a provision
Q2 : Quality control, ethical and professional issues – new credit system during yr, FD only posted journal for half of the impairment, member of audit gave advice and was paid $600 by client
Q3: Something about CSR report and procedures KPIs? (someone that did this could clarify
Q4: Matters to consider and audit evidence – fair value of instruments, provision, inter-company sale
Q5: Discussion of benefits and difficulties of KAM and how it addresses the expectation gap (ugh) and critically appraise an audit report (which of course contained KAMs..)June 4, 2018 at 6:31 pm #456139Spent almost half of the exam on question 1. Less than 15 minutes left on the last question.
June 4, 2018 at 6:42 pm #456145Q3 was the nuclear plant accident and some CSR audit
June 4, 2018 at 6:50 pm #456149Story of my life. Started last question with 15 minutes left.?
June 4, 2018 at 7:00 pm #456152Anyone remebers the csr audit procedures?
June 4, 2018 at 7:01 pm #456153seems many were in such situation…time presure of this exam unreal
June 4, 2018 at 7:03 pm #456154I don’t understand what P7 examiner look for ? If the knowledge and student’s ability to apply that in situations, very good, then one full question is an extra just to pressure the students unless exam time increased to 3.30 hrs. Frustrated with this paper !!
June 4, 2018 at 7:33 pm #45616112 marks for the criticism of the audit report
June 4, 2018 at 8:02 pm #456168I started with exam with Q3 and Q4, then Q2 and ended with Q1. I rushed through everything and just managed to finish – but without any time to think further.
I read some of your points which have completely escaped me! I did mention some others though.
It is the first exam where I had to request a 2nd booklet, that’s how much I wrote! hope the examiner can read me!!June 4, 2018 at 8:04 pm #456169The exam time pressure on this paper is incredibly difficult to manage. This is my second sitting and yet again I felt I spent too long on Q1. I sat the Irish variant and am interested to see that candidates that sat the UK variant seem to have a breakdown of the marking structure for Q1. This wasn’t apparent on the Irish variant and if this was the case then it is hugely unfair that the ACCA would include the detailed marking structure on one variant of the paper over another. It leaves too much scope for the candidate to spend too much time on specific areas of question 1 when there are more marks awarded for other requirements. I felt a lot of the other questions and their sub parts are too long. It seems to me that each question was loaded with additional requirements. In reading a question of two sentences you’d be asked to perform 3 matters in some cases I.e. identify, comment and explain in addition to detailing Audit procerdures or evidence you might find. The question requirements should be shorter and more precise. It’s difficult enough to balance time pressures on 4 questions without multiple layers to the requirements. All in all I felt it was a very difficulty paper and I’ve no doubt I’ll be back again in September for another attempt. Feeling deflated and dejected by P7.
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