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- March 10, 2018 at 7:45 am #441978
@cindyteo said:
Can anyone remember the marks allocated for q1 on the mandatory bid,crown jewel and poison pills?
And the equity value was it to calculate the FCF value and multiple by the debt equity ratio (40%) to arrive as equity value??I think the mandatory question was 8 marks, as it had mandatory bid, equitable treatment, poison pill and Crown jewels.
I think I multiplied it by 60% as the equity value was 60% of FCF.
March 10, 2018 at 8:10 am #441983This is the mark allocation I remember:
Question 1)
Director A/B proposal and what synergy benefits Director B had? (9 marks)
Use of real options for a more accurate valuation ( 5 marks)
Report structure/presentation (4 marks)
Current value of equity (6 marks)
Combined value of equity (11 marks)
Implications and whether should take on acquisition (7 marks)
Mandatory bid, principle of fair treatment, poison pill and Crown jewels (8 marks)Question 2)
Apv calculation (17 marks)
Discussion on convertible loan notes and whether they are the better option compared to subsidised loan ( 8 marks)Question 4)
Forward and Mmh (9 marks)
Netting into CHF (7 marks)
Advantage of netting (3 marks)
Whether a market based transfer price is a better option than a fixed price + mark up (6 marks)March 10, 2018 at 9:39 am #442006Anyone remember the points split of Q3 (b&s)
This is what I remember , please fill in the blanks
A i plot the variables given into model 3marks
ii blank 3marksB I put options for directors or call 3marks
ii cash bonus vs call option 3 marksC I Delta hedge 6 marks
Can’t be sure but still not all 25 marks accounted for here ,
Also I see lots of people chose the APV question is it better to do a question the majority did or not ?
March 10, 2018 at 9:46 am #442009There was definitely another part in the Q4 , advantages of a centralised treasury department for 5 marks or so ? But I can’t get it to fit into 25 marks
March 10, 2018 at 10:23 am #442026There was a question about transfer pricing in Q4
March 10, 2018 at 10:45 am #442037Dear all.
Could you please tell me:
How intercompany were implemented in calculation in Q1?Where 30% premium to Equity value of target had to be used?
Thanks in advance!(My 1st P paper, 1st attempt. Qs attempted q1,2,4. 4th was OK. I’ve converted to CHF at higher of the spread of spot rates)
March 10, 2018 at 12:36 pm #442052AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Wow you have good memory. Thanks!
March 11, 2018 at 9:28 am #442153Hello guys.. can anyone tell me what was the weighted average asset beta that you got ?
I forgot how to do that i have no idea how.. so i just used 1.42 to proceed..
This is my last acca paper and i am completely shattered with how my exam went. The paper over all was very manageable and i had a very strong grip on all the questions.. due to time constraints i lagged behind severely. I chose question 2 and 4 as i was very good at Apv.. But sadly i wasnt able to complete that question..
I couldnt attempt around 18 marks in that question
March 11, 2018 at 2:27 pm #442198Similar situation here – P4 being last exam . Also ended up with 8 mark part of APV question unfinished as run out of time.
What i did was that i calculated combined asset beta by using individual asset betas ( provided), 12600 equity value of the acquirer ( has been provided either ) and equity of the target ( calculated at the 6 mark part ). ( by sticking all that into that formula similar to wacc) . Then , proceeded by calculating combined equity beta by using combined asset beta and 70:30 debt to equity ratio ( or the other way round) as it’s been mentioned as applicable for the combined company . And finally calculated cost of equity and Wacc in a usual may. Not sure. That looked like the only way to me.March 11, 2018 at 3:07 pm #4422088 marks was allocated for q1 mandatory bid question. Also you Wld use FCF to firm method to calculate to arrive at the company value and later take out the equity value which is 60% of the firm value
March 11, 2018 at 4:00 pm #442211AnonymousInactive- Topics: 1
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Do u remember ur wacc for combined company?
March 11, 2018 at 4:40 pm #442216@bshah1989 said:
For what seemed to be straight forward questions I think it was a shame not to have done well.Panic city.
Did anyone get the equity value of the target to be 1,556m?
And was the combined equity value lower than the equity value of the main firm?
Best
1,556m looks very familiar as well as value of the combined company of 14,551m from the lower reply.
And yes, I obtained combined equity value lower than stand-alone value of the main firm.
March 11, 2018 at 5:19 pm #442219Completely forgot values for both betas , cost of equity and Wacc for combined . Just cost of equity of 9% for APV question.
March 11, 2018 at 6:37 pm #442234Thanks, good luck for your score.
March 11, 2018 at 6:44 pm #442235@mariamal said:
Dear all.Could you please tell me:
How intercompany were implemented in calculation in Q1?Where 30% premium to Equity value of target had to be used?
Thanks in advance!(My 1st P paper, 1st attempt. Qs attempted q1,2,4. 4th was OK. I’ve converted to CHF at higher of the spread of spot rates)
I used the higher rate too for the net RECEIPT of $6,8m.
March 11, 2018 at 9:54 pm #442248This was my 2nd attempt which I found much easier that Dec’17 one. The Qs were fair and straight forward BUT time… it was an issue, have not done all, left out 20 marks yet hope the script would be enough to pass and become ACCA qualified 😀
Good luck to all
March 12, 2018 at 1:27 am #442253My third try. I believe I did better than the last two times, and predict either a marginal pass (miracle) or a marginal fail (more likely). Plan to start revising now just in case need to resit, and hope I can be diciplined about it this time.
March 12, 2018 at 4:25 am #442260Much better than Dec 2017 exam. Got 46 in december. Hoping to pass this time.
March 12, 2018 at 10:17 pm #442155@cindyteo said:
Wow you have good memory. Thanks!I only have a rough idea as I set myself rough time limits for each part as I sit the exam so for the 17 marker APV for example, I gave myself around 35 minutes.
@uddinx said:
Hello guys.. can anyone tell me what was the weighted average asset beta that you got ?I forgot how to do that i have no idea how.. so i just used 1.42 to proceed..
This is my last acca paper and i am completely shattered with how my exam went. The paper over all was very manageable and i had a very strong grip on all the questions.. due to time constraints i lagged behind severely. I chose question 2 and 4 as i was very good at Apv.. But sadly i wasnt able to complete that question..
I couldnt attempt around 18 marks in that question
I can’t remember the answer but you had to weight it by the market value of equity so the value you had worked out in the previous part and then also the market value of the company acquiring the other company which was given in the first paragraph. Then multiply those weighting by the asset beta of both the companies.
March 12, 2018 at 10:17 pm #442250@irynazakliuka said:
This was my 2nd attempt which I found much easier that Dec’17 one. The Qs were fair and straight forward BUT time… it was an issue, have not done all, left out 20 marks yet hope the script would be enough to pass and become ACCA qualified 😀Good luck to all
Good luck Iryna, all the best hope you pass. My final exam too.
@alexcap said:
Similar situation here – P4 being last exam . Also ended up with 8 mark part of APV question unfinished as run out of time.
What i did was that i calculated combined asset beta by using individual asset betas ( provided), 12600 equity value of the acquirer ( has been provided either ) and equity of the target ( calculated at the 6 mark part ). ( by sticking all that into that formula similar to wacc) . Then , proceeded by calculating combined equity beta by using combined asset beta and 70:30 debt to equity ratio ( or the other way round) as it’s been mentioned as applicable for the combined company . And finally calculated cost of equity and Wacc in a usual may. Not sure. That looked like the only way to me.Yeah that’s what I did too, I spent a lot of time think the 12600 was the number of shares until I read it a couple of times though. Good luck to you.
March 13, 2018 at 12:58 am #442404AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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This was my answer too. The acquisition was not beneficial to the parent company and I think Wacc was 9%. I was quite scared when some said it was beneficial
March 13, 2018 at 4:53 am #442413My calculated WACC was 9% too, and the acquisition was not beneficial. Should the issue with the have been included in some calculations.
The value of the target was 968m, but obviously I made a mistake somewhere. I think equity was 40% for the target company.
March 14, 2018 at 5:46 am #442529Pretty sure it was beneficial for me
With combined equity value being something like 15000m and seperate being 960m and 12600. Thus it being a gain, even after applying the 30% premium on the 960.
March 17, 2018 at 11:09 pm #442893Could someone please confirm if you need to get at least 50% (25 marks) in question 1 (compulsory) in order to get a pass?
In other words, if you get less than 25 marks in question 1 but overall it is more than 50 marks then would ACCA marginally fail you at 49 or still give you a pass?
March 18, 2018 at 9:03 am #442919@omernadeem said:
Could someone please confirm if you need to get at least 50% (25 marks) in question 1 (compulsory) in order to get a pass?In other words, if you get less than 25 marks in question 1 but overall it is more than 50 marks then would ACCA marginally fail you at 49 or still give you a pass?
You need 50 overall, it doesn’t matter how you get 50 I.e. You could fail q1 and q2 but pass q3, so you get 24/50 for q1, 12/25 for q2 and 14/25 for q3 and you would pass with 50.
So as long as you get 50 overall, it doesn’t matter how that is made up, of course it is easier to pass each question but doesn’t need to be the case.
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