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- December 10, 2016 at 4:46 pm #363138
Increasing debt was proposal 2 is not it?
Please enlighten me on this.December 10, 2016 at 9:22 pm #363120AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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@ninhvanquy said:
I think 20% used to add in share price to determine capitalise value of Findon flight@prad41 said:
Hey, yes I did the same, Market value of equity was not changing only the debt due to proposal 1 and 2 stating either increase or decrease debt. The tricky and annoying part was calculation of Cost of debt as I felt it was quite confusing especially depending on the proposal different interest rate was paid and the calculation were extremely repetitive by the third time I did it I was exhausted! lolAnyhow, I think the correct recommendation to directors was that even though more debt was taken in Proposal 2 the WACC of company has reduced further. This is in line with M&M theory, where it states debt is good for company as they have to pay tax and increases their income. I can’t think from top of my head what were my WACC but I think proposal 2 had the lowest, hence I recommended that.
for the 2nd proposal I think the risk free rate plus spread came to 6.2 so I concluded that the the market value was the book value. I may have been wrong in any case.
December 10, 2016 at 9:42 pm #363163i believe the question specifically said that an assumption was amde that the value of equity wouldnt change however my cost of equity changed … i got an increas of cost of capital from 10 to 10.7 i think and from 10 to 9.4 for the second …did anybdy else get the same?
December 10, 2016 at 9:44 pm #363164i did ..only in the second proposalw as the mv of debt equal to its book value because the coupon and cost of debt was the same
December 10, 2016 at 10:19 pm #363168Does anyone remember the Mark allocations especially for sections A?
December 10, 2016 at 11:49 pm #363176AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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@michellep said:
Does anyone remember the Mark allocations especially for sections A?The 1st question was for 8marks (biz risk and financial risk and how they are related then risk mitigation vs diversification
the second was 17 marks Ke and WACC for the current and two proposalsThird was 8 marks…. effect on earnings and financial position
fourth was 7 marks which was about recommendations and assumptions for b(i) and b(ii)
then there was a separate question about discussing the third proposal about first evalauting the current status blah blah for 6 marks. I may have mixed up the marks from the third but I think the margin of error is small.December 11, 2016 at 8:09 am #363192Thanks @kolkeen that sounds right.
December 11, 2016 at 8:20 am #363201I did the report for question one something like this:
For proposal one, ungear equity beta with current capital structure to get about 0.85 I think. Then use the asset beta in proportion to the assets that were sold for the manufacturing division by using simultaneous equations. MV of debt was about 105, discounting at credit rating plus risk free rate. Anyway, under this proposal, the wacc was higher cause of the higher weighting of equity.
Proposal 2 increased debt and assets and the overall income. Wacc was lower, and CoE was calculated simply by using the equity beta given of 1.21. Cost of debt was 6.2% tax adjusted (same as proposal 1), and we had to find MV by discounting at risk free rate plus the rating given which gave a MV of debt to be 100.01, so rounded to 100. I believe wacc came to around 9%.
I recommended to either staying as is or choosing proposal 2 if their intention was to take on more projects, although prop 2 increased gearing to 49%.
I think I went on to screw up part a and b considerably. They weren’t hard, I just wasn’t expecting them and they threw me off. For part a I explained the relationship of volatility of cash flows inherent to a business and the increased risk of defaulting from financial risk, but it was all rubbish I made up, doubt it’s worth 2 marks.
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@drey7000 said:
I did the report for question one something like this:For proposal one, ungear equity beta with current capital structure to get about 0.85 I think. Then use the asset beta in proportion to the assets that were sold for the manufacturing division by using simultaneous equations. MV of debt was about 105, discounting at credit rating plus risk free rate. Anyway, under this proposal, the wacc was higher cause of the higher weighting of equity.
Proposal 2 increased debt and assets and the overall income. Wacc was lower, and CoE was calculated simply by using the equity beta given of 1.21. Cost of debt was 6.2% tax adjusted (same as proposal 1), and we had to find MV by discounting at risk free rate plus the rating given which gave a MV of debt to be 100.01, so rounded to 100. I believe wacc came to around 9%.
I recommended to either staying as is or choosing proposal 2 if their intention was to take on more projects, although prop 2 increased gearing to 49%.
I think I went on to screw up part a and b considerably. They weren’t hard, I just wasn’t expecting them and they threw me off. For part a I explained the relationship of volatility of cash flows inherent to a business and the increased risk of defaulting from financial risk, but it was all rubbish I made up, doubt it’s worth 2 marks.
The discussions were more difficult than the calculations; could only briefly explain the implication of each value but didnt have enough time to conclude. I wonder what the marking scheme is like
December 11, 2016 at 7:07 pm #363305@fard786 said:
Increasing debt was proposal 2 is not it?
Please enlighten me on this.Hello.
I guess we are on the same page. I recommended proposal 1 because proposal 2 increases the financial risk, & also increases the cost of equity for investors,that would be it’s downside.
Also proposal 1 would yield an additional 6% return because 30 % reduction in assets would have lost 9 % of after tax return but the 30% reduction would have been sold at 15 % after tax, that was my justification. I screwed up wacc under proposal 1, I used the right method, but didn’t consider the 70:30 ratio to calculate asset beta. Hope that doesn’t cost me too much.
December 11, 2016 at 7:43 pm #363306can anyone remember what proposal 3 dealt with and what we had to discuss? how many marks was this for?
December 11, 2016 at 8:19 pm #363310Can’t remember for how many marks, but the third director proposed to assess the whole organisation and all its divisions on both types of risk (business and financial). I have mentioned director one focusing on financial risk (reducing debt) and director two on business risk (entering new sector) while actually both should be considered..
December 12, 2016 at 2:18 am #363323i missed this part of the question…i only remember answering about financial and business risk in part a of the question
December 12, 2016 at 9:17 am #363406AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Same here i also calculated growth
December 12, 2016 at 9:18 am #363408AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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But for the futures calculation how did you find the expected spot rate to be able to calculate gain/loss on futures?
December 12, 2016 at 9:21 am #363409AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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If i may ask how did you find the closing futures price when no expected spot rate was given?
December 12, 2016 at 10:06 am #363414AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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@baverlym said:
If i may ask how did you find the closing futures price when no expected spot rate was given?You use futures lock in rate by initially calculating the basis and then estimating the unexpired basis. Finally, you calculating the lock-in rate by substracting the difference between the opening basis and unexpired basis from the spot rate given at the begining
December 12, 2016 at 10:14 am #363416AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Gosh…thanks got it
December 12, 2016 at 7:14 pm #363485AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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@baverlym said:
If i may ask how did you find the closing futures price when no expected spot rate was given?Hey, when the expected future rate is not give you normally have to assume a rate.(forward rate would be ideal but it wasn’t given either, there was no inflation or interest rate given so we couldn’t use parity formula either. So I assumed that the rate in the future will be the future rate and did the calculation, in which case there was no gains or loss on future but a very small over or under hedge. For option there was no basis and therefore the gains and loss was against the future price.
I didn’t do this perfectly due to time pressure and it was the first question I had answered. -_-“
December 13, 2016 at 2:32 am #363493assume its the cfp or the forward rate if you are given. since we werent i assumed its the cfp like it is done in the bpp text
December 16, 2016 at 7:03 pm #363866the script already update to acca website only question 1 and 4 for December is published
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