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ACCA F7 June 2013 – Q2 Atlas

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  • This topic has 11 replies, 4 voices, and was last updated 11 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • May 22, 2014 at 2:04 pm #170114
    wendyjy
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    Hi MikeLittle, I would like to ask a question. Could you please help to explain this question? I don’t quite understand it.

    (i) Revenue includes the sale of $10 million of maturing inventory made to Xpede on 1 October 2012. The cost of the goods at the date of sale was $7 million and Atlas has an option to repurchase these goods at any time within three years of the sale at a price of $10 million plus accrued interest from the date of sale at 10% per annum. At 31 March 2013 the option had not been exercised, but it is highly likely that it will be before the date it lapses.

    Thank you.

    May 22, 2014 at 3:37 pm #170137
    MikeLittle
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    And what’s your question? If it’s about whether the revenue should be recognised, then the answer is no. Quite clearly the risks and rewards of ownership have not passed because Atlas is able to exercise the option. Therefore, no sale. But presumably cash has been received. To adjust, Debit Revenue and Credit a Loan account because that’s effectively what the $10m amounts to – a loan at 10% interest.

    But if it’s not a sale, then it must still be the inventory of Atlas so we need to bring back into inventory the $7m cost of these goods

    The net effect of reducing revenue and reducing the cost of sales is to eliminate the profit of $3m

    OK

    May 23, 2014 at 10:19 am #170272
    wendyjy
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    OK! Thank you very much!

    May 23, 2014 at 10:44 am #170276
    MikeLittle
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    You’re welcome

    May 23, 2014 at 8:57 pm #170374
    cara12
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    Hello

    For part (v) of the question, how do we calculate the opening balance backwards from the 1 for 4 right issue?

    May 23, 2014 at 9:08 pm #170379
    cara12
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    Oh i figured it out already , nevermind 🙂

    May 24, 2014 at 8:03 pm #170564
    greg
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    Wrt note (ii) in the question (plant), the answer (extract) from acca is as follows :

    Plant

    The plant held for sale should be shown separately and not
    be depreciated after 1 October 2012.

    Other plant
    Carrying amount at 1 April 2012 (94,500 – 24,500) 70,000
    Plant held for sale (9,000 – 5,000) (4,000)

    66,000
    Depreciation for year ended 31 March 2013 (20%) (13,200)

    Carrying amount at 31 March 2013 52,800

    Plant held for sale:

    At 1 April 2012 (from above) 4,000
    Depreciation to date of reclassification (4,000 x 20% x 6/12) (400)

    Carrying amount at 1 October 2012 3,600

    Total depreciation of plant for year ended 31 March 2013 (13,200 + 400) 13,600.

    My question is :

    Why isn’t the Plant carried @ 1 Oct 2012 : [70000 – Depn (6/12*20%*70000)] = 63000
    Then NBV of Plant HFS @ 1 Oct 2012 : [(9000-5000) – Depn (6/12*20%*4000)] = (3600)

    NBV of the rest of the plant @ 1 Oct 2012 = (63000 – 3600) = 59400

    Depn: last 6 mths (excl. PHFS): (1 Oct 2012-31 Mar 2013)=(6/12*20%*59400) = 5940
    Depn: first 6 months (excl. PHFS) : (1 Apr 2012-30 Spt 2012) = (6/12*20%*70000)=7000
    Depn on Plant HFS (1 Apr 2012-30 Spt 2012)(6/12*20%*4000) = 400

    Plant : 31/03/2013=59400-5940=53460

    May 25, 2014 at 10:45 am #170625
    MikeLittle
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    Interesting! The reason for the difference is that you are double depreciating the plant that is not classified as held for sale.

    You are reducing the balance brought forward and then applying a further reduction.

    Try this – $100 asset, 20% per annum reducing balance (so the same as 10% for 6 months) – ignore the reclassification for this example except to say that something like reclassification happened after 6 months requiring us to calculate depreciation “differently”

    If nothing had happened, normal depreciation would be 20% x $100 = $20 and reduced carrying value would be $80

    But splitting into 2 six month periods 20% x 6/12 x £100 = $10. So at the end of 6 months, reduced balance is $90.

    Now the second six months 20% x 6/12 x $90 = $9. So at the end of the year, reduced carrying value is $81

    Does that help?

    May 25, 2014 at 7:31 pm #170807
    greg
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    Yes, i wanted to obtain NBV of Whole Plant @ 1 Oct 2012 then subtract NBV of PHFS @ 1 Oct 2012 to obtain NBV of the rest of the plant at 1 Oct 2012. Then proceed with obtain the NBV of the rest of the plant @ year end by removing the remaining half year depn.

    So does that mean i won’t be abl to proceed that way bcause of the reducing line depreciation method?

    May 25, 2014 at 8:32 pm #170822
    MikeLittle
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    That’s what it means! easier to separate out the plant held for sale and deal with that as though it were a completely different class of asset

    May 25, 2014 at 8:36 pm #170825
    greg
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    Thanks a lot!

    May 26, 2014 at 4:25 am #170848
    MikeLittle
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    You’re welcome

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