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February 23, 2021 at 11:50 am
why don’t we decrease 40M depreciation when consol RE?
Thank you, Sir.
March 6, 2021 at 4:29 am
I think that because it is combined when you process in W2. 80m depreciation decreased included the 40M in which you mention
March 13, 2021 at 12:11 am
see we took post-acquisition profit of subsidiary in WN-5, and while calculating post acq profit we have already considered the effect of 40M of depreciation so no need to deduct it separately in Consolidated RE, bcoz post acq profit, has already considered it.
January 15, 2021 at 4:53 am
Can you please give me the answer for example no 3. for the good will part when done by porportionate to NA methode I got GW = 2680 and by another method I got the GW= 3350
January 15, 2021 at 4:56 am
by second method I got the gw= 2700
January 14, 2021 at 2:49 pm
Thank you very much Sir Chris.
Please sir, what if the investment in p,s separate book is greater than investment in S and A combined, should we record the difference or ignore completely?
June 24, 2020 at 11:18 am
Hello there! I probably ought to know this but I can’t find the answer. I’ve just read the IAS 3 accounting standard on business combinations – for a goodwill calculation, why do we need to deduct the value of net assets at acquisition?
June 14, 2020 at 10:11 pm
Might be a dumb question I’m sorry. But when you add the assets line by line in the group statement, for example the non current assets or inventory how comes you adding them straight totally for example for inventory you add 450 and 580, shouldn’t it be 70% of 580? when only 70% was acquired of Finn. Don’t you need to do 70% of Finns Assets why adding 100% of Finns Asset when only 70% acquired.
Thanks in advance
May 29, 2020 at 10:50 am
I am unable to understand the workings and the example. It is maybe because I appeared in the F7 exam 4 years ago, and then I started working after F9. I have almost lost it all in these years and can’t seem to remember anything from F7. What would be your advice in this regard? How should I prepare for the exam?
May 10, 2020 at 7:46 pm
Great thanks, excellent tutor with detail explanations <3
January 27, 2020 at 9:02 pm
Hello Chris , any last minute advice for paper Sbr?
Thank you for your support , OT lectures are really a life saver, kudos!!!
November 26, 2019 at 12:42 pm
As the investments shown on Rey’s amount to 1540 and the investment in Finn was 1340 would we not also have the balancing 200 shown in investments along with the 205 from the Associate?
November 26, 2019 at 12:47 pm
Please ignore I can see why. Regards
February 2, 2019 at 1:40 pm
Please I am a bit confused on the treatment of the dividend declared by the Associate, why are we deducting instead of adding it to the investment in associate. And I expected to see the Bank debited with the 5m dividend income to correspond with the Investment in associate being credited with 5m.
February 7, 2019 at 10:27 pm
I have the same query…why
May 24, 2019 at 11:31 am
The dividend paid by the associate is paid out of its distributable profits, essentially its net assets. If the investor is receiving a part of these net assets as a dividend then the associate will no longer have the net assets in its books, and therefore we need to remove them by reducing the investment in associate by the dividend paid out.
In the individual accounts the parent will record the cash and dividend income, but when equity accounting, the dividend income is replaced by the share of profit of associate in the statement of profit or loss.
July 7, 2019 at 12:42 pm
Following your answer to nenny, I understand that we need to record the cash dividend in P’s book but do we need to record the equity income in P’s book as well i.e. dr investment in associates, cr income from investment? Or the increase or decrease in equity income is only shown on the Group’s?
July 7, 2019 at 9:00 pm
Please discard my questions. I have got the answer.
April 24, 2020 at 12:21 pm
I am also stuck in the same question, if we only consider about the distribution from associate:
Dr: Cash 5
Cr: Associate 5
Dr: Associate 10
Cr: RE 10
But at the end the total RE from associate is 5. Please help. Thanks.
May 27, 2020 at 10:07 am
Theo mình hi?u thì trong 80 ??ng l?i nhu?n c?a A mà P ???c ghi nh?n t?ng RE (Dr Associate/ Cr RE) thì ?ã có ngh?a v? chi tr? c? t?c trong ?ó r?i. Do ?ó, khi A th?c tr? c? t?c trong n?m (Dr Bank/ Cr Financial Income) thì ta ph?i ghi nh?n gi?m RE và Associate ?i (hi?u ??n gi?n RE và Associate t??ng ???ng 1 kho?n l?i ích mà chúng ta thu ???c t? l?i nhu?n công ty liên k?t). Bút toán:
1. Ghi nh?n l?i nhu?n c?a A tron n?m mà P ???c h??ng
Dr Associate 10 (t?ng tài s?n)
Cr Group RE 10 (t?ng ngu?n v?n)
2. Ghi nh?n gi?m l?i nhu?n c?a Group vì A ?ã “th?c hi?n 1 ph?n ngh?a v?” do chi tr? c? t?c:
Dr Group RE 5 (gi?m ngu?n v?n)
Cr Associate 5 (gi?m tài s?n)
As far as I understand, out of the 80 profit of A that P is recorded to increase RE (Dr Associate / Cr RE), it is already included the A’s obligation to pay dividends to P within it. Therefore, when A actually pays dividends in the year (Dr Bank / Cr Financial Income), we must record the reduction of RE and Associate (understand simply RE and Associate are equivalent to the benefit that we gain from profits from Associated Company). Entry:
1. Recognize the profit of A in the year P is entitled to
Dr Associate 10 (increased assets)
Cr Group RE 10 (increase in capital)
2. Recording Group’s profit reduction because A has “partially performed its obligations” by dividend payment:
Dr Group RE 5 (reducing capital)
Cr Associate 5 (property reduction)
May 27, 2020 at 10:09 am
Theo minh hieu thi trong 80 dong loi nhuan cua A ma P duoc ghi nhan tang RE Dr Associate Cr RE thi da co nghia vu chi tra co tuc trong do roi Do do khi A thuc tra co tuc trong nam Dr Bank Cr Financial Income thi ta phai ghi nhan giam RE va Associate di hieu don gian RE va Associate tuong duong 1 khoan loi ich ma chung ta thu duoc tu loi nhuan cong ty lien ket But toan
1 Ghi nhan loi nhuan cua A tron nam ma P duoc huong
Dr Associate 10 tang tai san
Cr Group RE 10 tang nguon von
2 Ghi nhan giam loi nhuan cua Group vi A da thuc hien 1 phan nghia vu do chi tra co tuc
Dr Group RE 5 giam nguon von
Cr Associate 5 giam tai san
December 15, 2018 at 7:37 am
Thank you very much for the clear explanation!!!
December 9, 2018 at 5:08 pm
can you clear one doubt of mine regarding purchase consideration.
A acquired 70% OF B.
PURCHASE CONSIDERATION = 20 m shares
market price of a’s share – 2 dollars
market price of b’s share = 4 dollars
my question is why is purchase consideration calculated of market price of a’s share and not b’s market price while calculating goodwill.
fair value of consideration = 20*2 = 40?
December 10, 2018 at 6:22 am
How much value did A have to pay to acquire 70% of B?
December 11, 2018 at 5:18 pm
in the question it is given that finance director determined bargain purchase was 8 million dollars being purchase consideration of 40 million dollars less the fair value of identifiable net assets of 48 million dollars.
December 12, 2018 at 6:49 am
Again, the same question! How much value did A hand over to acquire 70% of B
Incidentally, BOTH values are used in the calculation of goodwill …
… because goodwill is essentially the difference between the value of the purchase consideration when compared with the fair value of the acquiree’s net assets
November 5, 2018 at 9:38 am
Q#2 Rey, Finn and Ben I have an issue with the depreciation, i dont understand why 2 yrs and not 1 yr as the date of acquisition was Jan 2014 and the date of the financial year is Dec 2015. Kindly explain i think that i’m overlooking something. Thanks
November 21, 2018 at 8:57 pm
Hey you may have figured this out already but:
1st Jan 14 – 31st Dec 14 = 1 year
1st Jan 15 – 31st Dec 15 = 1 year
So, its two years in total 🙂
October 24, 2018 at 5:20 pm
Why did we not prorate the dividend for 6 months as we did for the associate profit from the time we acquired it
February 2, 2019 at 1:44 pm
Yes I need the answer to this question as well. Thanks
May 6, 2019 at 7:00 am
I have the same question – why are the dividends from the associate not prorated as well?
Alternatively, to get the post-acquisition profits from the associate, could we not take profits for the year LESS dividends, and take the parent’s % of that? And then prorate that for 6 months.
i.e. ($80m – $20m) x 25% x 6mths/12mths = $7.5m
May 24, 2019 at 11:27 am
Dividends are not pro-rated as they do not accrue over the period. A dividend is declared at a point in time and so only relates to that specific date, hence it is never pro-rated.
October 3, 2018 at 10:57 pm
FV adjustment for assets was really tricky to get on taking that you need to find the balancing figure first and then count 2 years depreciation.
thanks for this example!
September 22, 2018 at 1:23 pm
Hello! Thank you for the lectures! They are very helpful! Why in W5 when we take 70% of retained earnings, we take 70% of 270 (total NA post acquisition) and not of the line “retained earnings” post acquisition. We know that the total is 270, the share capital is 1000, not sure what to do with FV adjustments, so we could calculate the exact line retained earnings.
September 25, 2018 at 4:59 am
The remaining 30% are attributable to NCI
September 25, 2018 at 8:16 pm
Thanks for the kind comments, it’s always great to hear that people benefit from what we do here at Open Tuition.
As there are no other components of equity within the question we can just take the movement in net assets as the movement in retained earnings. If you wish the 270 comes from the increase in retained earnings of 350 (800 – 450) less the depreciation 80 on the FV adjustment that would go through retained earnings too.
July 26, 2018 at 6:32 pm
You mentioned that adding the assets and liabilities across in the CSFP doesn’t give any mark in this exams, so should we ignore doing that?
July 26, 2018 at 11:16 pm
If you ignore adding them across then you would not lose any marks, but if you are a marginal candidate then it would work in your favour if you were to add them across.
June 28, 2018 at 8:39 pm
Thanks for lectures they are very helpful.
Can you please let me know how you arrived at the acquisition share capital of 1000 in example 2.
June 29, 2018 at 9:14 am
I’m glad you find the lectures very helpful.
The acquisition share capital of the subsidiary will always be the same as the share capital at the reporting date. The reporting date share capital can be found in the statement of financial position of the subsidiary.
Good luck with the rest of the course.
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