What happens if the company issues debts with warranties, with the option of buying, say 100 shares at 2$ in 2025, the current share price is 1$, the companies management sees in 2024 that the share price is about to go up to 6$, and they will go issue lots of bonus shares to reduce the price per share to nearer to 2$ to prevent the holders of the debts from ”enjoying” their well-deserved part of the increase in the share price. How do you protect the holders of the debt in this case?
Hello Sir! I have doubt, Is the company allowed to buy back the Bonds from open market in case they are listed in the stock exchange at a price lower than the redemption price? thereby saving costs on debt.( Assuming they have sufficient cash reserve at this point in time ).
I would just like to clarify something. For convertibles, the lenders could choose either to get cash for payment or take up the shares right? While for warrants, whatever happens (taking up the warrant or not), they will still be repaid the amount or bonds owed to them upon maturity?
Just to confirm my understanding, using an example “10% Debentures 2025 quoted at 96pc” , does this mean that at the redemption year of 2025, the debenture holder will be able to redeem the investment value which is 96% of the nominal value? I.e, if nominal value was $100, the debenture holder could redeem $96 , and not $100 right? (Unless it says redemption at par value)
Sir, I don’t understand why people would be willing to buy a bond payable at premium for lower interest rate considering the example the bank gave a higher interest rate of 7% wouldn’t the interest along with the principal be $170 and in case of 5% when payable @ 10% premium be $160 even if it’s 6% it would be equivalent to $160 but if i consider the cash flows and discount them that’s certainly a loss to investors Thanks in advance! Love the lectures
I am not quite sure that you are meaning. However, if the bonds are going to be repaid at a premium (which will not be the case if money is deposited at the bank) then this premium is a bit like receiving more interest and so they will accept a lower interest rate during the life of the bond.
Sir, Although you emphasized that redemption rate cannot be tested (numerically) But how to calculate it? Is it the= current market value/(Total redemption $- market value) Here since, the market value is $80 and the total redemption is $110 would it be =(80/110-80)=37.5% Should the redemption yield be based on the Market value that when i bought or the market value at redemption rate.
I do not believe that I mention ‘redemption rate’ because there is no such term. It is the redemption yield (i.e. the return to investors) that you are asked to calculate and is meaningful. The return to investors is the IRR of the pretax flows to the investor as explained in the lectures.
Hi john, do companies put a limit on buying traded debt? for e.g. a person wants to buy 1 unit of $100 which is risky as why would a company be prepared to pay 100 plus interest in 10 years time and if too many shareholders wants to give traded debt wont it would be dificult for a company to pay each one at a 10 years time. Do companies have a limit on these?
Hello and thank you for everything, one small question please, which lecture chapters apply to part E of the syllabus”Business Finance” and which lecture chapters apply to part F of the syllabus “Business valuations”? I am a bit confused with how the lectures are distributed for F9.
lopok says
What happens if the company issues debts with warranties, with the option of buying, say 100 shares at 2$ in 2025, the current share price is 1$,
the companies management sees in 2024 that the share price is about to go up to 6$, and they will go issue lots of bonus shares to reduce the price per share to nearer to 2$ to prevent the holders of the debts from ”enjoying” their well-deserved part of the increase in the share price.
How do you protect the holders of the debt in this case?
John Moffat says
This is a legal question and not relevant for Paper FM. Ask in the Paper LW Ask the Tutor Forum 🙂
RAHUL8877 says
Hello Sir! I have doubt, Is the company allowed to buy back the Bonds from open market in case they are listed in the stock exchange at a price lower than the redemption price? thereby saving costs on debt.( Assuming they have sufficient cash reserve at this point in time ).
John Moffat says
just as with shares they can buy them back on the stock exchange but they will have to pay whatever the market price of the bonds is.
RAHUL8877 says
Understood! Thank you sir 🙂
kcdumpmail says
Hi Sir!
I would just like to clarify something. For convertibles, the lenders could choose either to get cash for payment or take up the shares right? While for warrants, whatever happens (taking up the warrant or not), they will still be repaid the amount or bonds owed to them upon maturity?
Many thanks
John Moffat says
What you have written is correct.
ty0311 says
Hi Sir,
Just to confirm my understanding, using an example “10% Debentures 2025 quoted at 96pc” , does this mean that at the redemption year of 2025, the debenture holder will be able to redeem the investment value which is 96% of the nominal value? I.e, if nominal value was $100, the debenture holder could redeem $96 , and not $100 right? (Unless it says redemption at par value)
Thanks and Regards,
Tim
Thanks and Regards,
John Moffat says
No. $96 is the current market value of $100 nominal. The redemption will be at $100 unless the questions says different.
Vanshika31 says
Sir,
I don’t understand why people would be willing to buy a bond payable at premium for lower interest rate considering the example the bank gave a higher interest rate of 7% wouldn’t the interest along with the principal be $170 and in case of 5% when payable @ 10% premium be $160 even if it’s 6% it would be equivalent to $160 but if i consider the cash flows and discount them that’s certainly a loss to investors
Thanks in advance! Love the lectures
John Moffat says
I am not quite sure that you are meaning. However, if the bonds are going to be repaid at a premium (which will not be the case if money is deposited at the bank) then this premium is a bit like receiving more interest and so they will accept a lower interest rate during the life of the bond.
Sourav9271 says
Sir,
Although you emphasized that redemption rate cannot be tested (numerically)
But how to calculate it? Is it the= current market value/(Total redemption $- market value)
Here since, the market value is $80 and the total redemption is $110 would it be =(80/110-80)=37.5%
Should the redemption yield be based on the Market value that when i bought or the market value at redemption rate.
John Moffat says
I do not believe that I mention ‘redemption rate’ because there is no such term. It is the redemption yield (i.e. the return to investors) that you are asked to calculate and is meaningful. The return to investors is the IRR of the pretax flows to the investor as explained in the lectures.
abmoeedd says
Hi john, do companies put a limit on buying traded debt? for e.g. a person wants to buy 1 unit of $100 which is risky as why would a company be prepared to pay 100 plus interest in 10 years time and if too many shareholders wants to give traded debt wont it would be dificult for a company to pay each one at a 10 years time. Do companies have a limit on these?
deanhallam says
Whats happened to Preference shares lecture?
mohammed31071996 says
See the last reply on this page!
markusmerg44 says
Hello and thank you for everything, one small question please, which lecture chapters apply to part E of the syllabus”Business Finance” and which lecture chapters apply to part F of the syllabus “Business valuations”? I am a bit confused with how the lectures are distributed for F9.
Thank you in advance!!
John Moffat says
The two sections are combined in our lecture notes because they do very much overlap. It is chapters 15 and 16 that are specifically on valuations.
markusmerg44 says
Thank you!! Just so you know I have made it to paper F9 in 6 months thanks to you guys!! Keep up the good work!!
John Moffat says
That’s great – congratulations 🙂
OnyinyeOfor says
I have watched this lecture twice but don’t seem to grasp anything. Please I need help understanding this particular chapter.
Thank you
sspencer3108 says
Is there another lecture going through the preference shares part of Chapter 12 or is it self study?
John Moffat says
Self study – it does not warrant a lecture since there is so little to read (and it is mostly revision from Paper FA (was F3) 🙂
sspencer3108 says
Thank you
John Moffat says
You are welcome 🙂