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FM Chapter 9 Questions – Discounted cash flow – further aspects
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ragnar7says
Hi John,
For the last question, isn’t it better to not do project A at all and do project B 1 and a half times? That would give an NPV of $7200. Or in the exam, can you not do the same project multiple times?
As I do state in my free lectures, infinitely divisible means that you can do fractions of projects but you cannot do more than 100% of a project (so you cannot do it multiple times) 🙂
Because the first flow was at the start of the year. So the flows are from time 0 to time 4. The 5 year annuity factor would only be relevant if the flows were from time 1 to time 5.
Q1: What’s the error for and how to correct “Tax Allowance Depreciation is a relevant cash flow when evaluating borrowing to buy compared to leasing as a finance choice?
What’s the error for and how to correct “Asset replacement decisions require relevant cash flows to be discounted by the after-tax cost of debt” Thanks in advance.
Hi, In my test Q# is 1 and it has four option to choose correct one, my inquiry is on one of the option which says asset replacement decision require cash flow to be discounted by after tax cost of debt, this is true what I knew but answer says no, it should be discounted with weighted average cost of capital, I am wondering I did not see any use of weighted average cost of capital in investment appraisal chapters. Asset replacement require calculation of optimum replacement cycle which require post tax cost of capital, could you please elaborate answer why to choose WACC and how to find that at this stage of FM course. Thanks
I assume you are asking about Question 4? (Please say which question in future).
Since the question says we are replacing every 2 years, it is only the scrap value at the end of 2 years that is relevant. (We are not scrapping at the end of the first year!!)
Have you watched my free lectures on replacement? If not, then I do suggest that you do.
Dear John, In question no-4, When calculating Equivalent Annual Cost,I m confusing whether i should divided by 1.736 (2 year annuity figure) or 2.736(which is 1 for year 0 + 1.736 for 2 year annuity figure).Please clarify for me.Thanks in advance.
Thank you. I got it now, and yes, I confused the term annuity with perpetuity….not enough coffee lol.
Could I take the same approach for all questions like this. So say the annuity factor for T4 is 3.170, and just add 1. So annuity of N+1 . So Principle / N+1?
What would happen if the flows started at T1 instead of T0. I am guessing we do not add X onto the annuity factor. So instead of 3.170X becoming 4.170, it will just be a straight forward division using 3.170?
ragnar7 says
Hi John,
For the last question, isn’t it better to not do project A at all and do project B 1 and a half times? That would give an NPV of $7200. Or in the exam, can you not do the same project multiple times?
Thanks
John Moffat says
As I do state in my free lectures, infinitely divisible means that you can do fractions of projects but you cannot do more than 100% of a project (so you cannot do it multiple times) 🙂
Ayesha says
hi John, I do not understand solution of Question 2. Why we did not use Annuity Factor 3.791 for 5 Years at 10%?
Thanks
A
John Moffat says
Because the first flow was at the start of the year. So the flows are from time 0 to time 4.
The 5 year annuity factor would only be relevant if the flows were from time 1 to time 5.
Sun says
Hi Sir,
Q1: What’s the error for and how to correct “Tax Allowance Depreciation is a relevant cash flow when evaluating borrowing to buy compared to leasing as a finance choice?
What’s the error for and how to correct “Asset replacement decisions require relevant cash flows to be discounted by the after-tax cost of debt”
Thanks in advance.
John Moffat says
The answer to both your questions appears when you have submitted your own answers!
Depreciation is never a cash flow – it is used to calculate the tax, but is not a cash flow.
Investment decisions are discounted at the WACC, not just at the cost of debt.
Did you watch the free lectures before attempting this test?
rezaul1 says
Dear John,
silly question – how do you know when to use discount rate / when to use annuity table
please explain sir
Thanks
Rez
rezaul1 says
referring to Question 4
John Moffat says
When calculating the PV of one replacement you need to use the present value tables.
When then calculating the EAC, you divide by the annuity factor.
I explain the rules and the reasons in my free lectures on replacement, and I do suggest that you watch them – I cannot type out all my lectures here!
The lectures are a complete free course for Paper F9 and cover everything needed to pass the exam well.
rezaul1 says
Thank you so much for such a speedy response sir.
John Moffat says
You are welcome 🙂
virtualstudent says
Hi,
In my test Q# is 1 and it has four option to choose correct one, my inquiry is on one of the option which says asset replacement decision require cash flow to be discounted by after tax cost of debt, this is true what I knew but answer says no, it should be discounted with weighted average cost of capital, I am wondering I did not see any use of weighted average cost of capital in investment appraisal chapters. Asset replacement require calculation of optimum replacement cycle which require post tax cost of capital, could you please elaborate answer why to choose WACC and how to find that at this stage of FM course.
Thanks
fola94 says
Question 4:
From my calculations, the total PV = (36,000) + (3,600) + 800 = (38,800)
How did you therefore get a figure of $38,612?
Thank you.
John Moffat says
I discounted the flows at 10% (PV means present value)!
I do suggest that you watch the free lectures on this.
fola94 says
Alright, thank you.
obinam says
Why didnt we consider the 1st yeat scrap value
John Moffat says
I assume you are asking about Question 4? (Please say which question in future).
Since the question says we are replacing every 2 years, it is only the scrap value at the end of 2 years that is relevant. (We are not scrapping at the end of the first year!!)
Have you watched my free lectures on replacement? If not, then I do suggest that you do.
poezarphyu says
Dear John,
In question no-4,
When calculating Equivalent Annual Cost,I m confusing whether i should divided by 1.736 (2 year annuity figure) or 2.736(which is 1 for year 0 + 1.736 for 2 year annuity figure).Please clarify for me.Thanks in advance.
John Moffat says
You divide by the 2 year annuity factor (1.736) – this is all explained in my free lectures on replacement 🙂
poezarphyu says
Thank you sir 🙂
John Moffat says
You are welcome 🙂
gonko says
A lease agreement has an NPV of 32000 at a rate of 10%. Lease has 5 equal payments payable at the start of each year.
So Y0 payments begin. So time 1-4 in perpetuity. 32000/3.170 to find the annual payment amount 10095?
John Moffat says
The annual payment is 7,674
If the payment is X per year, then the PV of the first payment at time 0 is X
The PV of the remaining 4 payment (1 to 4) is 3.170X
So the PV of all 5 payments = X + 3.170X = 4.170X = 32,000
X = 32,000 / 4.170 = 7,674
(Incidentally, 1 – 4 is an annuity, not a perpetuity. A perpetuity is every year for ever)
gonko says
Thank you. I got it now, and yes, I confused the term annuity with perpetuity….not enough coffee lol.
Could I take the same approach for all questions like this. So say the annuity factor for T4 is 3.170, and just add 1.
So annuity of N+1 . So Principle / N+1?
John Moffat says
If the flows start at time 0, then yes.
However the flows could start at any time.
gonko says
What would happen if the flows started at T1 instead of T0. I am guessing we do not add X onto the annuity factor.
So instead of 3.170X becoming 4.170, it will just be a straight forward division using 3.170?
John Moffat says
Yes – the annuity factors on their own assume that the first flow is in 1 years time.
waqasiqbaal says
Sir, this is an annuity then why are we dividing it instead of multiplying with 4.170? Please explain.
John Moffat says
Multiplying the amount each year by the annuity factor gives the present value.
Here we know the present value and so we divide by the annuity factor to get the amount each year.