Hi Sir, Could you please explain me if in case in the question they had given the original cost and accumulated depreciation, we would have taken the original cost in the ledger and the disposal/sales value would have been also taken the original cost which is in this case 50000. And also depreciation for that year also would be taken in account to the ledger ???? Can you please clarify ?
I do not remove the profit, I adjust it because profit is certainly not a cash flow.
I assume that you have watched all the earlier lectures in the free course and so know that in arriving at the profit we charge depreciation as an expense. But we are not paying out any cash to anybody when we depreciate!
You will also know that when calculating the profit we take all the sales we have made during the year. However if some of the sales were on credit and there is money owing to us at the end of the year (and we therefore have receivables in the SOFP), then the cash received during the year will not be the same as the total sales made.
Hi sir, I found it so hard to persuade myself “increase in receivable” is subtraction but no addition, even though I understand the customers are owing us more, so we have less cash?. Will there be other better method?
Sir, Why do you put dividend paid in ‘cash flow from operating activities’ in stead of ‘cash flow from financing activities? Please tell me the reason of this. Thank You.
The accounting standard allows us to do either. The logic of putting it under cash flow from operating activities is that the dividend is being paid out of the cash we are getting due to making profits.
I don’t understand. The share premium account increases by 20,000 (not 45000) and that is taken account of in the cash flows from financing activities.
Dear sir when you prepare NBV T account you Dr 410000 .I only understand cr side 30000 and depreciation 40000. But dont understand 410000 why you add as an opening blance.where it write in question.?
$410,000 is the figure from last years balance sheet which must be the net book value (we do not know the breakdown between the cost and assimilated depreciation because we are not told them in the question).
In this question are we to assume that Interest paid of 1,000 is the same as the Interest expense in the P&L. I thought must times interest expense is different from interest paid.
What about them? The retained earnings increase by the profits made during the year and the dividends paid during the year. We put the profits in the statement (and adjust for non cash items etc) and we put the dividends paid in the statement.
Thank you very much for the free lectures, they are very helpful. l need to understand something. When we are adjusting for non-cash items. If we have a loss on the sale of a current asset- Do we add or subtract the amount?
Please help me understand Risyv’s question above. Why is interest paid 50K adjusted with PBT and not 75K, as shown in the question. I thought interest paid is different from interest received?
In my own computations, I added interest paid of 75K back to profit of 300K. Then instead of showing interest received of 25K under operating activities, I used it under investing activities. Net cash flows from operating activities is giving me 73K and yet I believe it should give me 48K.( Total less interest received.
Then since interest received of 25K can be put under investing activities, that is where I put it to give me a total of (164K) instead of (189K).
As I wrote in my answer to Risyv, I do not have the BPP question and answer and so it is difficult for me to be certain as to what they have done.
However it does seem that the 50K is there not as a cash flow, but to adjust the profit – we need the profit to be before interest paid and before interest received.
The interest paid is then shown as an outflow after the cash generated from operations, and the interest received is shown as in inflow under cash flows from investing activities.
I believe because the NCA are held at Net Book Value on the Companies’s Financial Statements as opposed to Sole Traders. So the values shown on SOFP are NBV.
NCA’s are shown at net book value on the SOFP of both sole traders and limited companies.
The reason here that we just use one NBV account is because only the NBV’s are given in the question – so we do not know the details for the cost account and accumulated depreciation account.
ubairakhan57says
Hi Sir, Got little questions.
1. If there is a revaluation surplus which has been added in retained earning what should we do about that? 2. Another is “dividend proposed” i guess we will not include any divident proposed usless they are paid right? earlier response is highly appreciated i got my exam in about 10 hours.
1. A revaluation surplus is not a cash flow and is therefore irrelevant (although it is relevant in calculating the acquisitions or disposals of non-current assets because the value of the non-current assets in the SOFP will have increased because of the revaluation if it occurred in the current year).
2. Proposed dividends appear in none of the financial statements and so are not relevant.
Sir don’t you think we should even deduct dividend paid from cash flow from financing activities.? we have reduced dividend paid in operating activity since it has to be shown in cash flow from financing activities.?
Depreciation is not a cash flow. Profit is always stated after charging depreciation and so we need to add back the depreciation to get the ‘cash’ profit.
I have problem with Interest..In BPP Book in Example question in Income statement Interest Received 25000, Interest Paid 75000..They show in Cash flow Interest Expense 50000 add with profit before Tax..Is that Right directly show it cash flow?? How could they do this??
Without having the question in front of me, I am pretty sure that they are not showing the 50,000 as a cash flow. What they are doing is adjusting the profit so that they have profit before interest in the cash flow statement.
The actual cash interest paid and received has to be shown separately in the cash flows statement because they are cash flows.
Sorry Sir for late reply because your comment won’t give notification to me..However It’s really showing 50,000 as a cash flow. If you don’t believe me then if possible please check BPP Book Page 382 383 SHABNUM CO Statement of Cash Flow..Thank you for reply..
What I wrote before is correct. They are adding the 50,000 to the profit before tax in order to get the profit before interest – not because it is a cash flow.
The cash flows are shown below ‘cash generated from operating activities’ – an inflow of 25,000 interest received and an outflow of 75,000 interest paid.
This is perfectly correct and is as I explain in my lectures.
meghaq8 says
Hi Sir,
Could you please explain me if in case in the question they had given the original cost and accumulated depreciation, we would have taken the original cost in the ledger and the disposal/sales value would have been also taken the original cost which is in this case 50000. And also depreciation for that year also would be taken in account to the ledger ????
Can you please clarify ?
meghaq8 says
The above doubt is on calculating the new purchases of NCA for the year under cash flows from investing activities.
John Moffat says
You would make the entries for the disposal as explained in the free lectures on non-current assets.
arahnsathananthan says
Hi John. at the beginning of the lecture, you remove the profit. Why is this done. I thought profit is cash flow as you have received more?
John Moffat says
I do not remove the profit, I adjust it because profit is certainly not a cash flow.
I assume that you have watched all the earlier lectures in the free course and so know that in arriving at the profit we charge depreciation as an expense. But we are not paying out any cash to anybody when we depreciate!
You will also know that when calculating the profit we take all the sales we have made during the year. However if some of the sales were on credit and there is money owing to us at the end of the year (and we therefore have receivables in the SOFP), then the cash received during the year will not be the same as the total sales made.
arahnsathananthan says
Thanks John. What I meant to say was why is the Loss on Disposal Added ? Is it because it would have reduced the profit originally ?
John Moffat says
Yes, that is exactly the reason 🙂
saqibali90 says
Hey John, so the layout or the pro forma template for cash flow statement must be memorised for the exam?
John Moffat says
No – you will not be asked to produce a full statement.
However you must learn what the three headings are and what goes under each of them.
kevinc19 says
Hi sir, I found it so hard to persuade myself “increase in receivable” is subtraction but no addition, even though I understand the customers are owing us more, so we have less cash?. Will there be other better method?
John Moffat says
No – that is really the only method 🙂
SZaka01 says
I cannot download the free resources – are they still available?
John Moffat says
The lecture notes can be downloaded but the lectures can only be watched online.
anikiu320@gmail.com says
Sir, Why do you put dividend paid in ‘cash flow from operating activities’ in stead of ‘cash flow from financing activities? Please tell me the reason of this. Thank You.
John Moffat says
The accounting standard allows us to do either.
The logic of putting it under cash flow from operating activities is that the dividend is being paid out of the cash we are getting due to making profits.
Kin says
Hi Professor,
Do we have to do anthing with the share premium account which also have an increase of 45000?
Thank you
John Moffat says
I don’t understand. The share premium account increases by 20,000 (not 45000) and that is taken account of in the cash flows from financing activities.
Kin says
Thank you. I have miss-read the accumulated profit figures for share premium.
John Moffat says
You are welcome 🙂
user224488 says
Dear sir when you prepare NBV T account you Dr 410000 .I only understand cr side 30000 and depreciation 40000. But dont understand 410000 why you add as an opening blance.where it write in question.?
John Moffat says
$410,000 is the figure from last years balance sheet which must be the net book value (we do not know the breakdown between the cost and assimilated depreciation because we are not told them in the question).
user224488 says
thank you so much sir.
John Moffat says
You are welcome 🙂
crystabel says
Hello Mr John
Thank you for your lesson.
In this question are we to assume that Interest paid of 1,000 is the same as the Interest expense in the P&L. I thought must times interest expense is different from interest paid.
acca324 says
I too didn’t understand that part. Does it mean that interest expense will be added back and be deducted just the same?
John Moffat says
Yes – they must be the same here otherwise there would be a liability on the SOFP.
We add back the interest expense from the SOPL and later subtract the interest actually paid.
protant says
what to do with retained earnings?
John Moffat says
What about them? The retained earnings increase by the profits made during the year and the dividends paid during the year. We put the profits in the statement (and adjust for non cash items etc) and we put the dividends paid in the statement.
pellagia says
Hello John
Thank you very much for the free lectures, they are very helpful. l need to understand something. When we are adjusting for non-cash items. If we have a loss on the sale of a current asset- Do we add or subtract the amount?
Thank you
Pellagia
John Moffat says
We add it to the profit when adjusting the profit to arrive at the cash generated from operations.
pellagia says
Thank you very much
John Moffat says
You are welcome 🙂
tori1984 says
Hello John,
Please help me understand Risyv’s question above. Why is interest paid 50K adjusted with PBT and not 75K, as shown in the question. I thought interest paid is different from interest received?
In my own computations, I added interest paid of 75K back to profit of 300K. Then instead of showing interest received of 25K under operating activities, I used it under investing activities. Net cash flows from operating activities is giving me 73K and yet I believe it should give me 48K.( Total less interest received.
Then since interest received of 25K can be put under investing activities, that is where I put it to give me a total of (164K) instead of (189K).
John Moffat says
As I wrote in my answer to Risyv, I do not have the BPP question and answer and so it is difficult for me to be certain as to what they have done.
However it does seem that the 50K is there not as a cash flow, but to adjust the profit – we need the profit to be before interest paid and before interest received.
The interest paid is then shown as an outflow after the cash generated from operations, and the interest received is shown as in inflow under cash flows from investing activities.
kingkongsajang says
why is the non-current asset account a net book value account and not the at cost value of non-current assets?
farije says
I believe because the NCA are held at Net Book Value on the Companies’s Financial Statements as opposed to Sole Traders. So the values shown on SOFP are NBV.
John Moffat says
NCA’s are shown at net book value on the SOFP of both sole traders and limited companies.
The reason here that we just use one NBV account is because only the NBV’s are given in the question – so we do not know the details for the cost account and accumulated depreciation account.
ubairakhan57 says
Hi Sir,
Got little questions.
1. If there is a revaluation surplus which has been added in retained earning what should we do about that?
2. Another is “dividend proposed” i guess we will not include any divident proposed usless they are paid right?
earlier response is highly appreciated i got my exam in about 10 hours.
Thank You.
John Moffat says
1. A revaluation surplus is not a cash flow and is therefore irrelevant (although it is relevant in calculating the acquisitions or disposals of non-current assets because the value of the non-current assets in the SOFP will have increased because of the revaluation if it occurred in the current year).
2. Proposed dividends appear in none of the financial statements and so are not relevant.
garvit says
Sir don’t you think we should even deduct dividend paid from cash flow from financing activities.? we have reduced dividend paid in operating activity since it has to be shown in cash flow from financing activities.?
John Moffat says
The accounting standard gives the choice, as I explain in the lecture.
shaaliha says
Hello, Sir! I just wanted to thank you for the lectures! I cant explain how much of a blessing they are to me right now!
John Moffat says
Thank you for your post 🙂
haddock says
Sir, why is interest paid listed under Operating Activities and not under Financing?
John Moffat says
Because the accounting standard says that we must 🙂
kingkongsajang says
Dear Sir,
why do you have to add depreciation rather than reducing it?
Thank you
John Moffat says
Depreciation is not a cash flow.
Profit is always stated after charging depreciation and so we need to add back the depreciation to get the ‘cash’ profit.
Risvy says
Now I can understand..Thank you very much for solve my problem.
John Moffat says
You are welcome 🙂
Risvy says
I have problem with Interest..In BPP Book in Example question in Income statement Interest Received 25000, Interest Paid 75000..They show in Cash flow Interest Expense 50000 add with profit before Tax..Is that Right directly show it cash flow?? How could they do this??
John Moffat says
Without having the question in front of me, I am pretty sure that they are not showing the 50,000 as a cash flow. What they are doing is adjusting the profit so that they have profit before interest in the cash flow statement.
The actual cash interest paid and received has to be shown separately in the cash flows statement because they are cash flows.
Risvy says
Sorry Sir for late reply because your comment won’t give notification to me..However It’s really showing 50,000 as a cash flow. If you don’t believe me then if possible please check BPP Book Page 382 383 SHABNUM CO Statement of Cash Flow..Thank you for reply..
John Moffat says
What I wrote before is correct. They are adding the 50,000 to the profit before tax in order to get the profit before interest – not because it is a cash flow.
The cash flows are shown below ‘cash generated from operating activities’ – an inflow of 25,000 interest received and an outflow of 75,000 interest paid.
This is perfectly correct and is as I explain in my lectures.