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- March 29, 2023 at 2:41 pm #682019
Hello ~ Tutor
When we do question about substantive procedure, the correct answer often related to
1.) pre year-end
or
2.) post year- endI got confused ! ! In which circumstance, needed to use pre year-end !? In which circumstance, I need to use post year-end !?
I take a few examples of past paper to clarify my question as following :
Example 1
June 2013 Fox Industries Co (Fox),
Question(c) Describe substantive procedures the auditor should perform at the final audit to obtain sufficient and appropriate evidence in relation to the bank and cash balances of Fox Industries Co at the year?endAnswer writings :
1.Trace all of the outstanding lodgements to the pre year?end cash book, post
year?end bank statement and also to paying?in?book pre year?end.2. Trace all un?presented cheques through to a pre year?end cash book and post
year?end statement. For any unusual amounts or significant delays obtain
explanations from managementExample 2
DECEMBER 2019 CBE SPADEFISH&Co ,
Question(a) Describe the procedures the auditor should perform to resolve the exceptions noted, for each customer during the positive receivables circularisation for Triggerfish Co.Answer related to Flounder Co
1.If the difference is due to timing, such as cash in transit, this should be agreed
to post year?end cash receipts in the cash book.
2.If the difference relates to goods in transit, then this should be agreed to a pre
year?end GDN.Answer related to Menhaden Co
1.If the difference is due to credit notes, this should be agreed to pre year?end
credit notes dispatched around the year?end datewhen we proceed the answer, I just have no idea that when to use “pre year-end” !? In which circumstance, needed to use ” post year-end” !?
Thanks in advance
March 29, 2023 at 3:24 pm #682029Welcome to my forum!
Qs calling for substantive procedures to verify an account balance are considering an amount that is (or should be) recorded in the SoFP at a point in time – the reporting date.
Consider for example closing receivables:
Closing receivables = Opening receivables (i.e. as at last year’s reporting date) + sales during the year – receipts during the year …. maybe – write-offs (but you should get the gist)
It’s important then that a trade receivable balance at 31 Dec 20X5 (say) includes transactions (i.e. sales and cash receipts) only up to that date (“pre-“) and excludes transactions after that date (“post-“). This is why “cut-off” is an assertion (see pages 97 and 98 of our notes for how this applies to purchases and sales).
March 29, 2023 at 3:25 pm #682030If you’re looking at a bank reconciliation (assumed knowledge of FA) and a reconciling item is something recorded in the cash book before the y/e, you would expect to confirm this by agreeing the amount to the bank statement after the y/e.
March 30, 2023 at 7:49 am #682055Hi ~ Tutor Smith
Thanks for the help
I spend a few hours thinking the logic in your answer/narratives
Then it finally persuaded me to accept the the official answers provided by ACCAThanks you ~
March 30, 2023 at 8:14 am #682064You are welcome!
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