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books of prime entry

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  • This topic has 15 replies, 3 voices, and was last updated 2 years ago by John Moffat.
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  • August 28, 2022 at 12:10 am #664470
    Anonymous
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    In which book of prime entry do i record invoices received?

    August 28, 2022 at 8:38 am #664496
    John Moffat
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    Purchases day book (also called the payables day book).

    This is all explained in my free lectures on the books of prime entry.

    September 4, 2022 at 8:57 pm #665159
    emvee16
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    Please help me out:
    -Anthony receives goods from Brad on credit terms and Anthony subsequently pays by cheque. Anthony then discovers that the goods are faulty and cancels the cheque before it is cashed by Brad.
    How should Anthony record the cancelation of the cheque in his books?
    A. Debit Accounts payable. Credit Returns Outwards
    B. Debit Bank. Credit Accounts payable

    (Please explain both A and B, i.e does option B mean a cash refund from a credit supplier?)

    I don’t know if this qn is relevant here but I would really appreciate your reply. Thank you

    September 5, 2022 at 9:26 am #665203
    John Moffat
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    A would be if Anthony had returned goods.

    B is when we had recorded the receipt and then discovered that we had not actually received the money and so cancelled the entry.

    September 5, 2022 at 10:50 am #665215
    emvee16
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    Thank you, I understand now. However, can’t option B mean a cash refund from credit supplier?
    And the answer to this question is A. What if the question asked about the accounting entry to record the cancellation of the cheque AFTER it had been recorded and cashed by the supplier? Would the answer be B then?.. thanks

    September 5, 2022 at 5:51 pm #665265
    John Moffat
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    It certainly isn’t a cash refund by anybody.

    Also, if the supplier has already cashed the cheque (i.e. paid it into the bank) then it is not possible for the cheque to then be cancelled.

    September 5, 2022 at 10:24 pm #665314
    emvee16
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    Oh ok, thank you. Therefore, what would be the double entry for a cash refund from a trade payable?

    September 6, 2022 at 8:01 am #665350
    John Moffat
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    Dr Cash, Cr Payables

    September 6, 2022 at 1:56 pm #665386
    emvee16
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    Exactly! I asked before if option B (“Dr bank Cr accounts payable”) meant a cash refund from a credit supplier but you said it didn’t mean that ,but I was right. Pls correct me if I’m wrong

    September 6, 2022 at 4:20 pm #665401
    John Moffat
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    It could mean that, but I was answering on the basis of what the question you typed asked for.

    September 7, 2022 at 10:09 am #665575
    emvee16
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    Oh alright. So can the cash refund be for, example, goods returned to a credit supplier which had been previously paid for? i.e. for the goods paid previously purchased on credit we would: dr payable, cr cash…therefore a cash refund for the goods returned would be the opposite entry

    I want to clear my doubt about this concept. I will really appreciate your response

    September 7, 2022 at 5:02 pm #665631
    John Moffat
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    When the goods are purchased we Dr Purchases and Cr Payables

    When payment is made we Dr Payables and Cr Cash (the balance on payables is then zero).

    If the goods are returned, we Dr Payables and Cr Purchases (there is now a debit balance on payables).

    When the supplier gives us a refund, we Dr Cash and Cr Payables (the balance on payables is now zero and all is OK).

    If we buy lots of times from the same supplied then they might not refund the cash and so the last entry does not happen. Instead, the amount paid for the next purchase is less because of the debit balance there was on payables.

    September 8, 2022 at 10:56 am #665742
    emvee16
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    For the last entry, when the supplier gives a refund (for goods previously returned), won’t the balance on the supplier account be zero?

    Because, when goods were returned we debited the account and for the refund the same account will be credited. So, according to what I understand, when there is a cash refund for goods previously returned there will be no balance on the payable’s account. Cash refund will eliminate the debit balance. Correct me if I’m wrong

    September 8, 2022 at 4:52 pm #665771
    John Moffat
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    You are correct, and that’s what I wrote in my previous reply but the auto-correct changed ‘now’ to ‘not’ 🙂

    I have now corrected the spelling.

    September 9, 2022 at 10:54 am #665876
    emvee16
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    No problem. I now understand, thank you very much for all the clear explanation

    September 9, 2022 at 3:21 pm #665959
    John Moffat
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    You are welcome 🙂

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