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- December 8, 2020 at 10:19 am #598353December 8, 2020 at 5:11 pm #598476
Ok, exam mainly losses
December 8, 2020 at 5:18 pm #598487Hi did anyone do the Irish ATX exam?
How did you get on?
Hoping for a pass although some parts in section A were tough (especially the 7 mark question on liquidation) ,the rest of the paper wasn’t too bad and i’m hoping those question see me throughDecember 8, 2020 at 5:26 pm #598497Part 1 35 marks
PET calculation (related party transfer) 6 Marks
Trading losses unincorporated business
19 marksVAT (annual accounting, registration date and claiming vat before registration) 8 Marks
Part 1 25 Marks
Redundancy package and premium accommodation taxable benefits- 6 marks
EIS scheme 9 marks
Ethics- becoming tax advisor 5 marks
Can’t remember the rest for this part
Part 2
Mainly residency status and effect on inheritance tax by becoming UK domicile and tax implications 20 marks (3 sub questions)
Liquidation (accounting periods and CGT)
10 marksCessation losses 10 marks
December 8, 2020 at 5:32 pm #598505Q 2 3 and 4 were ok. The first question was a disaster for me, other than ARF. Fingers crossed didn’t cost the exam!
December 8, 2020 at 5:35 pm #598510Agree I went blank on Question 1 part b the losses
December 8, 2020 at 5:49 pm #598517yea i thought the 35 marker was tough enough… against the clock too… think the first q was about the individuals buying the property or the company.. i said the company should sell it as they could use the loss the indivuals cant cos its ringfenced… i didnt give ER or RR to the guy selling the the premises in Galway? but gave ER to him selling his shares on liquidation… what did yee come up with?
December 8, 2020 at 5:58 pm #598524Yea, i also gave him ER on the liquidation and i said the other woman didn’t qualify for either ER or RR as she was only there 2 years even though she was over 55, i did that 35 marker last as i took one look at it and moved on! also that VAT section 70 0% exemption (or whatever it was) completely caught me out probably got 0 on that one, think it was worth 3 marks might get 1 mark as a sympathy vote hopefully
December 8, 2020 at 6:06 pm #598531for Q 4, the second disposal, was that the holding co exemption? i think the first disposal was a clawback of the Gain that they would have originally got in teh group..
For the gift/inheritance i gave your man PPR Relief, said in my reccommendation, they should get married so that the prop can be given to his wife with no tax triggered, and the children can get GT1, Didnt give them CT3 as they already used it up with the firs give they got from their mothers aunt, but dunno if i was right…December 8, 2020 at 6:20 pm #598534Yeah i said the same recommendation.
i think i may have missed the PPR so i put a same event credit, not sure why i missed that
i think i may have messed up the threshold on the gift for some reason now in hindsight, was hoping for 6/7 out of 15 marks there after exam so maybe i got it through the rest of the working of the life interest etc
i put the participation exemption too but it was more of a gamble than anything and i don’t know if my point were strong enough to gain much marks
Can remember that first disposal question at all.December 8, 2020 at 6:23 pm #598535oh yea missed the same event credit…. got its soo hard remembering it all!! yea fingers crossed for the 50!
December 8, 2020 at 6:32 pm #598542Oh yea i put that clawback too as it was only 9 years instead of 10 years?, anyway doesn’t matter now i guess, wont worry bout it till Jan. Best of Luck in your result
December 8, 2020 at 6:34 pm #598543yup thats it! i said they should wait to sell for another year and then no clawback…. Good luck too! im soo bad for the postmortum of the exam but it makes me feel better 🙂
December 8, 2020 at 10:07 pm #598648Did anyone sit it this afternoon?
I think section b was the same .. what did you all put for the residency part and the remittance basis?
The losses? Accounting periods and the treatment for the CT for the sale of shares?December 8, 2020 at 10:39 pm #598659Me too!
December 8, 2020 at 11:22 pm #598522carsmac wrote:yea i thought the 35 marker was tough enough… against the clock too… think the first q was about the individuals buying the property or the company.. i said the company should sell it as they could use the loss the indivuals cant cos its ringfenced… i didnt give ER or RR to the guy selling the the premises in Galway? but gave ER to him selling his shares on liquidation… what did yee come up with?
Yea, i also gave him ER on the liquidation and i said the other woman didn’t qualify for either ER or RR as she was only there 2 years even though she was over 55, i did that 35 marker last as i took one look at it and moved on! also that VAT section 70 0% exemption (or whatever it was) completely caught me out probably got 0 on that one, think it was worth 3 marks might get 1 mark as a sympathy vote hopefully
December 9, 2020 at 1:03 am #598693I’m terrible at remembering exam papers & also missing some of the mark allocations so please correct if possible.
Question 1 – 35 marks
a) partnership loss – relief options available (5)
B) whether incorporation relief should be disclaimed (15)
C) iht on gift of cash to son (6?)
D) unexpected income tax refund (5)
Formatting (4)Question 2 – 25 marks
Salivo? Expanding business – either by renting new machinery or by purchasing with loana) i) State Loss relief options available £20000 loss (?)
ii) Explain & determine best use of £20000 loss (?)b) Compare after tax finance position after 7 years of trading depending on whether the asset is rented or bought (?)
c) Flat rate/annual vat scheme & affect on vat liability on leaving the scheme (specifically in relation to rent paid on machinery?) (?)
Question 3 – 20 marks
Tom Juliet & Opal
a) i) eligibility for remittance basis (3)
ii) remittance basis vs arising basis (?)b) IHT implications of electing to be uk domiciled for iht purposes (?)
c) Determine residence status of daughter (5)
Question 4 – 20 marks
a) single company
i) final 2 accounting period loss
ii) explain best use of losses and state unrelieved lossesb) winding up
i) periods of account (3)
ii) amounts distributable to shareholders (4)
iii) corporation tax implications of distribution to company with 6% shareholding (3)December 9, 2020 at 1:26 am #598695On the winding up question where was i supposed to use the indexation allowance? Was it on part c cost of shares or somewhere in part b?
Think i messed up part b – i put the disposal through capital allowances and crystalised the gain to calculate the corp tax and deducted that from the proceeds?
Question 1 – iht on gifts to son. Do you need to include more than 1 scenario here i just did death before taper relief comes into effect on 1st gift? It mentions not to include taper relief i think?
December 9, 2020 at 1:38 am #598696Residency part was only 1 out of 2 ties i believe.
1 night spent in uk accomodation available for more than 90d.
Her parents dont qualify as close family?
Started work in march so not substantive workRemittance basis – i put no rb charge as only 2 prior uk resident tax years. Unremitted > 2k so she has to claim remittance basis ( it wont be automatic). Claiming means loss of personal allowance and annual exempt amount vs not claiming (arising basis) means use of personal allowance and annual exempt amount.
Does the remitted gains go into capital gains or nsi?
December 9, 2020 at 5:25 am #598707Re remitted gain, i was running out of time and put the gain with employment income of i think 16000 under arising basis not sure if that was correct.
Opal was not resident in the year asked in teh exam under automatic ties test. However I thought opal was “He” lol
I sat in morning time- only one questions commoms are q3 (remittances and domicile) and q4 (liquidation) when was the second acconting period ends? When the trading ceases and winding up completed?
December 9, 2020 at 7:17 am #598716Anyone take ATX MYS here?
December 9, 2020 at 7:41 am #598719I got the question wrong, but the 2nd winding up period ends 1 year after it starts and so on until completion. (Ceasing trade doesn’t change this)
December 9, 2020 at 7:52 am #598720On the IHT gift to the son, there were no dates for calculating taper relief were there?
I put the gain with the income for a rising basis too and said no later or remitted income under remittance basis.
So opals parents don’t qualify as uk family test?
Shame I put yes for that one. 150 days in uk plus 2 ties.
The personal tax on the first question amd the incorporation for 15 marks got me stumped, mind went blank really. Said the profits would be split equally on first part. And She was eligible for ER as she met 2 year and 5% if she thought about reinvesting in further business assets.
The accounting periods on the loss question, I put there were 3.. one ending when winding up started, one when trading ceased and one when winding up finished.
I was on about ten minutes to do the last question.. did proceeds less cost 63 less indexation less 12 deferred gain, ct and what was left to shareholders?
10 marks for the losses- it Said and do I carried final 2 periods losses back but terminal loss is just carrying the last 12 months back I think.. hopefully still get some marks on that.
Then the last bit was the effect on CT for Mercury ltd was it?? 6% holding. I said ER available but the mentioned about the payment being a distribution.. had seconds left so my mind was racing!
The rent v buy question got me I thought I was so confusing how it was written – spent ages on it and should have left it really and come back .. hey ho!
For domicile effects I said she would have whole of husbands estate at NG/NL if elected but then it’s not revocable so effects would be that her overseas assets would be taxed under uk IHT too not just her uk assets on death.December 9, 2020 at 8:05 am #598724And 30k unrelieved loss on the 10 mark loss question
December 9, 2020 at 8:51 am #598729Re liquidation question part c: it was held by a company if i am remembering correctly. I put that it would be a capital distribution & less than 10% shareholding so no relief available?
For the terminal loss question: what did you do with the capital loss? Does it set off against trading income in the same year? I wrote that it can’t be carried back, not sure if thats right. Did we have to include unrelieved qcd in the final figure?
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