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Current Tax underprovision b/f

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  • This topic has 19 replies, 6 voices, and was last updated 7 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • December 4, 2011 at 9:50 pm #50906
    aau98113
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    I;m having a problem understanding the logic behind current tax under/overprovisions brought forward from previous periods

    If a trial balance says current tax liability b/f has a debit balance of say 100 the notes tell us this is an underprovision of the previous period. I just dont get that because if this account is showing on the trial balance it must be a liability account and a debit here would be a reduction of the liability i.e OVERprovision brought forward

    My problem is I keep doing the following steps which is obviously wrong but I can’t understand why.

    To start off we’ve got a debit balance on the tax liability T account of 100

    Then we are told liabiliity for the year is estimated at say 5000. I would DR SoCI 5000 (or DR current tax expense which will in turn go the SoCI), CR Tax liability 5000

    As a result the tax liability account now has a credit balance of 4900 and what I would do with this is DR Tax liability 4900, CR SoFP 4900

    So after all this the SoCI is showing a charge in the current period of 5000 and the SoFP is showing a liability of only 4900. This to me suggests that 100 has already been accounted for in previous periods and so I simply can’t understand why the opening debit balance is an underprovision

    I know its wrong, but where am I going wrong? I have tried all the practice questions I could find but nothing has helped me make sense of it

    I would rather understand it than just have to accept that debit = under, credit = over

    Thanks in advance

    December 5, 2011 at 10:20 am #90601
    MikeLittle
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    Imagine you have a liability brought down from last year. The provision was estimated to be $6,000 tax payable, and it falls due for payment 4 months into the new year. Finally, towards the end of March, the tax liability was agreed with the Revenue as being $6,300.

    This amount was paid on 1 May. Dr Tax account, Cr Cash

    At the end of the year the trial balance is extracted and, when the tax account is balanced off, there’s a DEBIT balance of $300. Can you accept that this $300 balance represents an under-provision from last year?

    Ok, let’s move on to the adjustment necessary at the end of this year.

    The directors have estimated the tax liability should be $7,400. ( This accounting entry will be made AFTER trial balance )

    We need to have a balance brought down of $7,400 in the tax account, below the “line” as a liability ( so B/d on the credit side of the T account )

    Above the “line” on the debit side should be shown the other half of that previous entry. So, above the line on the debit side, write C/d $7,400.

    Now, balance off the tax account. Add up the bigger side ( the debit side in this case ). Put the total figure $7,700 in the total line of the debit side of the account. Put the same amount $7,700 in the total line on the credit side of the account. Then add up the credit side and put in the missing figure which will make the credit side add up to $7,700

    The double entry for that last 7,700 entry in the credit side of the tax account is a debit entry in the Statement of Income

    Hope that helps

    October 15, 2013 at 12:39 pm #142809
    Nizar
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    so is it a DEBIT balance of current tax in the trial balance represent an under-provision of tax and a CREDIT balance represent an over-provision of tax?

    October 15, 2013 at 1:09 pm #142814
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    Why does it matter to you? It really is irrelevant for your purposes whether it’s an under-provision or an over-provision! If it’s a debit balance shown in the trial balance, then it’s a debit opening figure in your T account.

    Ok, that tells you not to get hyper about it. Now let me explain.

    We are looking at preparing financial statements for the year ended 31 December, 2013 and we are given a trial balance as at that date. Included within that trial balance are some accounts which will have changed only very little during the last 12 months and one of those is the current tax account.

    Before I go further, you need to be ABSOLUTELY sure that you know the difference between the words “tax liability” and “tax charge” or “tax expense” – I mention this because it seems from your post that you are confusing the expressions.

    A “tax liability” is the amount brought down, below the total lines in a T account, and is shown on the credit side of that account BELOW those double lines. To be able to find itself there, it must have been carried down from the debit side ABOVE the line.

    A “tax charge” or “tax expense” is debited to the Statement of Income and the credit entry is in the current tax account, above the line

    Right, back to the T account for current tax and “How can a debit balance be an under-provision?”

    If the tax liability brought down from 31 December, 2012 had been, say, a credit balance of $8,000 and we finish up having to pay $8,600 to the taxman (because taxman disagreed with our tax computations) then we will debit current tax account and credit cash with $8,600. That now leaves a debit balance on the current tax account of $600 which will appear on the trial balance as a debit.

    And that’s how a debit balance on the trial balance for current tax is the effect of a prior year under-provision

    OK?

    October 15, 2013 at 4:41 pm #142828
    Nizar
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    ok. ur explaination was crystal. thank you.

    the reason i wanna know is when im showing my workings during the exam. i know what name to put for “current tax” in the trial balance.

    for example,

    Increase in deferred tax $1000 + Provision for income tax $12000 (+) Under-provision of tax $500.

    or

    Increase in deferred tax $1000 + Provision for income tax $12000 (-) Over-provision of tax $500.

    October 15, 2013 at 5:32 pm #142835
    MikeLittle
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    T accounts are so much easier – and require NO thought / memory

    🙂

    May 13, 2015 at 7:17 pm #245773
    Mykhailo
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    Hi!

    I understand part about over/under-provision, but I still confused on the adjustment necessary at the end of year.

    Example:
    Income Tax Dr 100 (under-provision)
    Tax Estimate 1,000 at the end of the year

    (1) Income tax 100 under-provision
    (2) Tax c/f 1,000
    (3) Tax liability 1,000
    (4) Charge to P&L

    ___________Tax at the end of the year______________
    Dr (1) 100 b/f | Cr (3) 1,000
    Dr (2) 1,000 c/f | Cr (4) 100
    ________________________
    Dr 1,100 | Cr 1,100
    ___________Tax at the next year opening___________
    Cr b/f 1,000

    So, if I understand correctly after the end of the year provision for the year was estimated 1,000, therefore, we made transaction
    Dr Exp. 1,000 Cr Tax Liability 1,000

    Where did Dr 1,000 c/f came from?
    And what transaction will be for adj. Dr P&L Cr Tax liability?

    Thanks in advance!

    May 13, 2015 at 7:48 pm #245779
    MikeLittle
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    Read again my first post on this thread and put your figures into a T account following the steps from my first post

    If you’ve still got a problem, post again

    May 13, 2015 at 8:51 pm #245793
    Mykhailo
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    I read you comment before writing. As you saw in my previous post I tried to make T account, but it display wrong.

    My problem that I understand that under-provision will increase my tax expenses, but I cann’t figure out how to see this in T account?

    Also you say that: “The double entry for that last 7,700 entry in the credit side of the tax account is a debit entry in the Statement of Income”
    So in this case Dr P&L 300 Cr ??

    Sorry, for inconvenience. Thanks!

    May 13, 2015 at 9:47 pm #245802
    MikeLittle
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    Cr Current Tax Account

    As for the under provision / over provision – don’t beat yourself up about it! I have explained it in detail higher up in this thread but there really is no need to know! If the figure in the trial balance is on the debit side and the examiner says “the figure for current tax in the trial balance represents an under / over provision for taxation from the previous year” your reaction should be “how very interesting, but now let’s move on”

    IF you really want to remember which it is (over- or under-), sing this to yourself:

    “a debit balance brought forward on the current tax account is an UNDER PROVISION from last year”

    Here’s a way that I’ve just this second thought of and it could work (it may not!)

    “debit” and “under” both have 5 letters and add up to 10
    “credit” and “over” have 6 and 4 letters and add up to 10

    (But you don’t need to know!)

    May 13, 2015 at 10:31 pm #245809
    Mykhailo
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    Maybe you right!

    About under/over-provision the are no problem, but thanks for the tip 😉

    May 13, 2015 at 11:02 pm #245814
    MikeLittle
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    MAYBE?????!!!!!

    There’s no “maybe” about it!

    🙂

    July 5, 2016 at 3:53 am #324710
    bigty
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    Hi, I need clarification on the same.paper F7 sp ecimen exam paper of september 2016.Question 31 on how they treated current tax amount stated in trial balance ($1,100m) as an over provision in previous year (refer suggested solution) on how they calculated deferred tax specifically a balance to be reflected in SPL.Thank You.

    July 5, 2016 at 7:39 am #324713
    MikeLittle
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    “on how they treated current tax amount stated in trial balance ($1,100m) as an over provision in previous year (refer suggested solution)” – the over-provision from the previous year has, in effect, allowed us to charge this year’s statement of profit or loss with just $800. If we had NOT accounted for last year’s over-provision, we would have charged $1,900 to this year’s statement of profit or loss as this year’s tax charge

    That is the answer to the question that you have asked “on how they treated current tax amount stated in trial balance ($1,100m) as an over provision in previous year (refer suggested solution)”

    But I’m not convinced that that is what you wanted to have explained to you

    “on how they calculated deferred tax specifically a balance to be reflected in SPL” – there is NO deferred tax balance reflected in the SPL – and there NEVER IS a balance for deferred tax reflected in the SPL

    So, again, I feel that this is not what you wanted

    May I ask you to state clearly what your problems are and I shall get back to you

    July 6, 2016 at 1:41 pm #324779
    bigty
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    Well understood on the first part.On the second part kindly explain clearly on how you are getting -500 balance when calculating deferred tax.

    July 6, 2016 at 6:42 pm #324792
    MikeLittle
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    Open a Deferred Tax T account

    There’s a credit figure brought forward according to the trial balance of 2,500

    We are told that the revaluation gives rise to a deferred tax liability to carry forward calculated as 6,400 so that goes on the debit side with the narrative “carried forward” (you could short-cut this by taking it straight to the revaluation reserve, but I haven’t in the hope that it’s clearer this way!)

    And there’s also 2,000 to carry forward for the deferred tax on other timing differences so that too is on the debit side

    Now, that 6,400 that related specifically to the revaluation surplus needs to be debited in the Revaluation Reserve account so …..

    Dr Revaluation reserve 6,400
    Cr Deferred tax account 6,400

    So the Deferred tax account now has a credit entry of 2,500 brought forward, 6,400 both debited and credited, and a carry forward amount shown on the debit side of 2,000

    That leaves a balance of 500 on the debit side and that is credited to the current tax account

    Does that sort it out for you?

    July 7, 2016 at 5:46 am #324811
    bigty
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    Well understood.Thank you very much Mike.

    July 7, 2016 at 8:32 am #324813
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    You’re welcome

    April 2, 2018 at 2:28 pm #444526
    nihad1996
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    IVE GOT FOLLOWING QUESTIONS
    1)WHAT ARE ITEMS INCLUDED IN “TAX CHARGE ” AND WHY ??(REALLY CONFUSED WITH THIS )

    2)WHAT IS THE RATIONALE BEHIND ADDING UP THE OPENING BALANCES OF DEFERRED TAX AND CURRENT TAX WHILE WE ARE COMPUTING MISSING AMOUNT, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE FINDING BALANCE PAID TO TAX AUTHORITIES?

    April 2, 2018 at 4:37 pm #444550
    MikeLittle
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    WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?

    Lower case is fine!

    1) The tax charge is the amount that is double entered from the Current Tax Account to the Statement of Profit or Loss Account. There are no items included … it’s the balancing figure from the Current Tax Account

    That balancing figure is arrived at following the various double entries that may have had an affect on the Current Tax Account such as an over- or under-provision from the previous year brought forward, the estimate of the liability to tax based on this year’s tax computations, the transfer of the balancing figure from the Deferred Tax Account representing the movement this year in that account

    2) I have no idea what you are talking about! IF you’re talking about the calculation of tax paid in a cash flow question, then yes, we do add up the figures from the two T accounts.

    Why? because it’s easier and quicker when trying to find the figure for tax paid in a cash flow question.

    There is no rationale involved … it’s simply the aggregation of two separate accounts both of which deal with tax. If there had also been a value added tax account and a sales tax account and an employment tax account … we would have added them all together in our calculations to arrive at tax paid

    But, don’t panic! There is NO CHANCE that there will be any tax accounts involved other than current tax and deferred tax

    OK?

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