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- January 14, 2019 at 3:42 pm #501808
Hello Sir,
What is the absolute difference between identifying the audit risks and evaluating the audit risks? – I have read all the answers in BPP kit but unfortunately unable to catch the trigger point of this difference and consecutively I have failed twice.
* A practical example (with a standard point) would be highly appreciable rather than theoretical one.
January 14, 2019 at 4:10 pm #501817Good question! Identifying a risk means spotting that it’s relevant to the financial statements. Assessing it has two aspects – how significant (potentially material) is it? And what is the likelihood of its occurrence?
So let’s consider any business that sells goods/services on credit. There is always some risk that some customers may not pay, which, if material, would overstate receivables and profit. This is an identified risk. To assess it, we would need to consider the specifics of the business – what proportion of sales are on credit terms? what type of customers does the business have? (small unincorporated businesses/large reputable companies/overseas customers in countries with a devaluing currency) what might the business be doing that increases the risk? Perhaps there are revenue targets and sales managers, aiming to achieve those targets, are less bothered about the creditworthiness of new customers – this would increase the assessed risk (of misstatement). But if there appear to be good relevant controls over the approval of new customers and setting credit limits, the assessed risk will be lower. Of course the auditor will have to carry out tests of controls to confirm that they are operating effectively and justify a reduction in substantive procedures – this is just one example of how the auditor responds to assessed risks.
So, in summary, identifying the risk is to specify what over/understatement could arise. And assessing/evaluating it is what directs the nature, timing and extent of audit procedures.January 24, 2019 at 12:44 pm #503180Dear Sir,
Please take my apologies for late appreciation as I was too busy to prepare myself for the third attempt…
Now specific to the point above, I have several questions-
1. Should I calculate materiality when “Identifying” audit risks?
2. Should I always calculate materiality when “Evaluating/Assessing audit risk?
3. Should I refer to relevant accounting standards when “Identifying” audit risks?
4. When should I provide accounting standards briefly and when in detail (eg. IAS 38 R&D criteria)
5. Say that I am writing your example in exam hall, should I write this part? -”But if there appear to be good relevant controls………operating effectively and justify a reduction in substantive procedures.”***For ease of replying, you are welcome to reply with yes/no. But for my last question (no.5), please write in an exam style so that I would catch the trigger point at the end of every points while evaluating audit risks.
Thanks in advance…
January 24, 2019 at 1:52 pm #5031901. Not really – look at D18 answers, for example. The identification of the area of risk is summarised in the sub-headings.
2. Not always – it depends. Again see D18 answers. Where you are evaluating RoMM through a change in a ratio/trend (e.g. relating to revenue) – the materiality of revenue clearly doesn’t have to be assessed – it just “is”. But if you have something which might have been accounted for incorrectly as expense rather than capital (or vice versa), assessing its materiality is obviously relevant to its evaluation. (If immaterial – who cares?)
3. Again, where relevant.
4. This is an auditing exam, so rarely in detail – that’s not to say that you don’t need to know the detail. So for example, if development costs have been recognised as an asset, but you can see that the company is in financial difficulties, you might reference the most relevant criterion (in this case, availability of adequate financial resources) – rather than regurgitate them all.
1-4: This is why you have to plan an answer before you write it out – there’s a lot to think about – it can’t be made up as you write.
5. Not really – this is just my explanation to you. If you were asked to suggest, justify or critique an audit strategy (e.g. see S18 Q1(c)) a fundamental aspect of that is the extent to which you can rely on controls (if at all).February 7, 2019 at 8:55 am #504394Dear Sir,
First of all please take my humble greeting..
After your replies to my specific questions I have planned and studied based on them. But by doing this I have faced the following issues-1. Should I use ‘First person (e.g. I/We) in answers? If so, are there any specific answers/requirements where I must use them?
2. If your reply for the above question is ‘No’, then may I ignore ‘I/We’ ?
3. Can I use abbreviation (e.g. P/L, SOFP, TCWG etc.) after using it’s full form once ?
-Thank you for your kind patience…
February 7, 2019 at 10:12 am #5044041. I don’t think there’s much call for using “I” and answers to Q1 refer to “our firm” rather than “we”. Personally I think it’s best avoided as the Q doesn’t ask what you, personally, would think or do.
2. Yes
3. Yes, but I would use SoPL for the statement.February 24, 2019 at 4:00 pm #506408Dear Sir,
Greetings!
I have been practicing based on the above issues that you have cleared for me and it is now very clear to me when I plan to write.
Thank you very much for your patients and care that you have shown to me. It is highly appreciable indeed. I wish a happy life..
February 24, 2019 at 5:27 pm #506425Kim is away for a few days, but I’m sure she will see your kind comments. Thank you on her behalf.
May 21, 2019 at 7:54 pm #516747Dear Kim Smith,
I haven’t written to you after the March 2019 results. Please take my humble apologies…
After 2 unsuccessful attempts on AAA, I’ve passed now. This was the only paper that was itching me. I’ve passed all other ACCA papers together with FIA at first attempts ! I wish I could hit opentuition in the first place so that I could tell everyone that I have no failure records in ACCA..
Thanks a lot for those smart replies. You were understanding my point of views while I was making questions. A few can do this!
Thanking You,
Abir Hossain
May 22, 2019 at 6:14 am #516802Dear Abir – congratulations! I am always so pleased to here about students’ success!
Perhaps you could do me a favour? As the June exam is fast approaching, what ONE piece of advice would you offer to AAA students?
Kim
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