Icey owns 126 million shares out of Wonderland 210 million equity shares for $46 million. The shares in Wonderland were acquired on 1 November 20X4. Wonderland is located overseas which has presented its financial statements in dinars. At the date of acquisition, retained earnings were 258 million dinars and Wonderland had no other components of equity. On this date, non-depreciable land was carried in the financial statements of Wonderland at 50 million dinars, but it had a fair value of 70 million dinars. The non-controlling interest at acquisition is to be calculated at fair value by reference to the quoted share price of Wonderland. At the acquisition date, the quoted share price was 2.62 dinars per share. An impairment review of goodwill was undertaken as at 31 October 20X5. The goodwill of Wonderland is to be impaired by 20%. Wonderland has not issued any equity shares since acquisition. The following exchange rates have been provided: Dinars to $ 1 November 20X4 8 31 October 20X5 9.5 Average to 31 October 20X5 8.5 Required: Calculate, with supporting explanations, the value of goodwill arising on the acquisition of Wonderland and exchange differences arise on the retranslation of Goodwill.
Hi, please could you elaborate on the double entry for recording these translations differences.
I assumed good will adjustment would be:
Dr : RE / Cr: GW I NCA
How does this then link into OCI without causing an imbalance on the accounting equation?
Or is the actual journal entry:
Dr: OCI / Cr: GW I NCA
But then how does this cause a reduction in group retained earnings if the journal entry is made to OCI instead of RE? Surely there can’t be 2 sets of double entry for the same transaction?
The same for the overall translation difference, I assume the entry to OCI would be:
Dr: OCI
Where would the Cr entry go?
Please could you advise so I can understand, I think I may be getting confused somewhere.
Hi Tuitor, As stated in the video, any gains or losses on translation of the overseas subsidiary are recognised in OCI. I want to cofirm if my words below are right or not. Only if we need to prepare the Group SPL, we will calculate the translation gain or loss through OCI. If we only need to prepare the Group SOFP, we don’t need to consider about the OCI arising from the translation, only provide the NCI and Group retained earnings by the allocation of the post- acquisition retained earnings, which including the translation gain or loss already. Also considering the gain or loss arising from goodwill when calculating the Group retained earnings, not separately to the OCE.
“On the disposal of a foreign operation, the cumulative amount of the exchange differences relating to that foreign operation, recognised in other comprehensive income and accumulated in the separate component of equity, shall be reclassified from equity to profit or loss (as a reclassification adjustment) when the gain or loss on disposal is recognised …”
According to Para. 48, the exchange differences (with respect to the SFP) should be accumulated in OCE and not GRE. So regarding example 3, GRE should be $122m? And whatever the ‘exchange rate losses’ are, they should be recognised in OCI and accumulated in OCE.
Hello wgk, I have a questions In example 3: Post acq-date Reverse = 15 (this included post acq-date RE, RR and any gain or loss of translation Sub – which go into OCI/RR) Therefore, when we calculate ‘Group RE’, we could not use all 15, we need to find what post acq-date only RE of Sub by subtract 15 to gain or loss of translation Sub. Is it right? Can you explain detail please. Thank you
Translation loss will be shared 80% of net asset and profit for the year to parent (80% x 17.6 = 14.1) and 20% to NCI (20% x 17.6 = 3.5), whereas 100% of 11m goodwill to parent when attributing total comprehensive income; won’t it? Thank you.
Hi, in the previous video we deducted the exchange loss on goodwill($11m) from the group retained earnings, and we have now deducted it from OCI, aren’t we double counting?
Don’t think so. In real life it would be Dr FX loss Cr Goodwill
Tamarasays
Only because we did not take into account the OCI in the last example, but we grouped it all within RE to simplify. It should be however recorded as a credit of OCI.
Hi there, my question is when we were translating net assets we calculated post acq profit as balancing figure and we got 15. However for p&l the post acq profit is different as it is converted using average rate. Can you please help me understand the difference and if it is different then how are we balancing debits and credits.
leighamie says
Good morning
I need help on this question please
Icey owns 126 million shares out of Wonderland 210 million equity shares for $46 million. The shares in Wonderland were acquired on 1 November 20X4. Wonderland is located overseas which has presented its financial statements in dinars. At the date of acquisition, retained earnings were 258 million dinars and Wonderland had no other components of equity. On this date, non-depreciable land was carried in the financial statements of Wonderland at 50 million dinars, but it had a fair value of 70 million dinars.
The non-controlling interest at acquisition is to be calculated at fair value by reference to the quoted share price of Wonderland. At the acquisition date, the quoted share price was 2.62 dinars per share. An impairment review of goodwill was undertaken as at 31 October 20X5. The goodwill of Wonderland is to be impaired by 20%. Wonderland has not issued any equity shares since acquisition.
The following exchange rates have been provided: Dinars to $
1 November 20X4 8
31 October 20X5 9.5
Average to 31 October 20X5 8.5
Required:
Calculate, with supporting explanations, the value of goodwill arising on the acquisition of Wonderland and exchange differences arise on the retranslation of Goodwill.
eloisedavey says
Hi, please could you elaborate on the double entry for recording these translations differences.
I assumed good will adjustment would be:
Dr : RE / Cr: GW I NCA
How does this then link into OCI without causing an imbalance on the accounting equation?
Or is the actual journal entry:
Dr: OCI / Cr: GW I NCA
But then how does this cause a reduction in group retained earnings if the journal entry is made to OCI instead of RE? Surely there can’t be 2 sets of double entry for the same transaction?
The same for the overall translation difference, I assume the entry to OCI would be:
Dr: OCI
Where would the Cr entry go?
Please could you advise so I can understand, I think I may be getting confused somewhere.
Thank you!
brianzulu1717 says
Hi
is the loss on goodwill inclusive in the $15 post acquisition retained earnings
wgk says
No. The translated SFP for the sub does not include GW.
Vicky0408 says
Hi Tuitor,
As stated in the video, any gains or losses on translation of the overseas subsidiary are recognised in OCI. I want to cofirm if my words below are right or not.
Only if we need to prepare the Group SPL, we will calculate the translation gain or loss through OCI.
If we only need to prepare the Group SOFP, we don’t need to consider about the OCI arising from the translation, only provide the NCI and Group retained earnings by the allocation of the post- acquisition retained earnings, which including the translation gain or loss already. Also considering the gain or loss arising from goodwill when calculating the Group retained earnings, not separately to the OCE.
Thank you very much!
wgk says
As per Para. 48 of IAS 21:
“On the disposal of a foreign operation, the cumulative amount of the exchange differences relating to that foreign operation, recognised in other comprehensive income and accumulated in the separate component of equity, shall be reclassified from equity to profit or loss (as a reclassification adjustment) when the gain or loss on disposal is recognised …”
According to Para. 48, the exchange differences (with respect to the SFP) should be accumulated in OCE and not GRE. So regarding example 3, GRE should be $122m? And whatever the ‘exchange rate losses’ are, they should be recognised in OCI and accumulated in OCE.
hieuht010198 says
Hello wgk, I have a questions
In example 3: Post acq-date Reverse = 15 (this included post acq-date RE, RR and any gain or loss of translation Sub – which go into OCI/RR)
Therefore, when we calculate ‘Group RE’, we could not use all 15, we need to find what post acq-date only RE of Sub by subtract 15 to gain or loss of translation Sub. Is it right? Can you explain detail please. Thank you
hieuht010198 says
Afterwards, we could calculate Group Other component equity/RR. Is it right?
gnoii says
Translation loss will be shared 80% of net asset and profit for the year to parent (80% x 17.6 = 14.1) and 20% to NCI (20% x 17.6 = 3.5), whereas 100% of 11m goodwill to parent when attributing total comprehensive income; won’t it? Thank you.
wgk says
No. See my reply to Vicky0408.
MPF2016 says
Helpful and appreciating, But it is more executed for learner if deliberating lecture slowly. Thanks.
Zura says
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alexndogwedu says
Hi, in the previous video we deducted the exchange loss on goodwill($11m) from the group retained earnings, and we have now deducted it from OCI, aren’t we double counting?
thank u
dazzah666 says
Hi, would that not be the double entry? DR OCI CR Goodwill
lucie13 says
Don’t think so. In real life it would be Dr FX loss Cr Goodwill
Tamara says
Only because we did not take into account the OCI in the last example, but we grouped it all within RE to simplify.
It should be however recorded as a credit of OCI.
Taimur says
Hi there, my question is when we were translating net assets we calculated post acq profit as balancing figure and we got 15. However for p&l the post acq profit is different as it is converted using average rate. Can you please help me understand the difference and if it is different then how are we balancing debits and credits.
Thank you
P2-D2 says
Hi,
The difference is the translation gain/loss that is recognised through other comprehensive income.
Thanks