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- December 8, 2016 at 11:22 am #362200December 8, 2016 at 3:32 pm #362275
Is it normal that I know the P6 major rules like 80% of it and the exams was like a disaster. The questions set are absolutely different.
December 8, 2016 at 3:48 pm #362291It’s all about application.
The question’s are always put in a stupid annoying way.
The first Q was about sole trader’s vs incorporated companies and finding the post tax income.
The R & D explanation and application.
The other matters were the incorporation relief and some other stuff…i can’t remember.
The rest was a blur for me. I overran on Q1. I just started blasting out answers for the questions. No time to dilly dally.
December 8, 2016 at 4:44 pm #362313I think I either did really well or really bad! I found that paper ok, but I fear I did everything wrong!
December 8, 2016 at 4:53 pm #362316Q1:
a. Post Income Tax for three year period which included incorporated business and individual income. including Capital Allowances and dividens. clearly stated not IR35 applicable.
b. Research and Development – revenue expenditure
c:Q2: a: IHT implications: including advantages of lifetime gifts, and further information required from client for transfer value (diminution in value concept), BPR relief availability and basis of calculations,
CGT implication – calculation of base cost, gift relief claimed on asset previously.
ethics
Q3: was on trading losses ( i did not attempt this one, so cant remember much)
Q4: Partnership – One partner retiring, deduction of Overlap profits, PSA, and calculation of income tax liability
IHT – PET vs death gift. tax implications
VAT partial exemption, exempt supplies.. calculation not required, explanation. impact of lease inclusive of VAT on profits.
Q5: Accommodation benefit, two alternatives. One owned property of company one rental.
EMI vs CSOP and calculation required on disposal.
December 8, 2016 at 5:14 pm #362331Paper was fair I think. I ran out of time and left 14 marks unanswered on Q4 but I feel I should have answered the other questions well enough to pass.
Q5 was a complete gift for me since I just read about share option plans the night before 🙂
December 8, 2016 at 5:37 pm #362356Q1&Q2 took too much time. Glad I attempted optional questions first, or it could be more parts I rushed through.
December 8, 2016 at 5:39 pm #362361Question one was bad for me, I’ve never been very comfortable with incorporation and I literally knew nothing about R&D tax reliefs. Did anyone else get £18k dividends? I couldn’t decide if the taxable profits included his salary or not so I just left it off???
Question two was OK, bit of a surprise to see a big IHT/CGT question, I was expecting groups! I hate when the examiner says don’t tell me about the 7 years etc – dam! take away the easy marks! lol! So benefits I said were AE, gift value is frozen and the NRB is used against lifetime gifts first???
I went for Q3 which was tricky in places and I didn’t really know the group arrangements, think I went down the path for instalments, which of course is wrong, felt like I was making that bit up! Think I said the profits for the foreign company needed to be £117k with losses used of £63kish if they were going to maximise DTR.
Q4 wasn’t too bad, but I got caught out by the dates to start with, year end on the 30th April and him leaving the P’ship on the 31st Dec means you had to time apportion everything!
On Q4 part c, I didn’t understand why you had to do tax year 17/18, as we only had profits to 30/04/2017 – so I just used that figure??
December 8, 2016 at 6:23 pm #362392Started q groups, no gain/no loss, with the base value being the original value paid and just over lapped areas where the new company joined etc.
Q1 who knows, I reduced trading income by salary, as it just wouldn’t tie up as a comparison between sole trader and incorporation, 50k income vs 30k salary plus dividend route. Then just applied the usual NIcs and corp tax comparisons??
B) incorporation pretty straight forward, <machinery less then 6k ignore. Use the incorporation formula to derive best amount by cash/loan to use AA.
C) 230% r and d, post tax benefits without including the already deducted amount.
D) VAT going concern, company registered? Cap allowances @TWDV transfer due to incorporation route?
I honestly done know if I have horribly failed or scrapped a pass.
December 8, 2016 at 6:28 pm #362398I had about £18k in dividends for Q1.
And about £63 ish to relieve DTR in Q3 sounds about right.
Q3 and Q5 were a gift for me too.
Q1 was really finnickity, and I fear a bit of a disaster but luckily I’d memorised the Incorporation relief stuff.
Overall could have been so much worse. I think it was a fair exam.
My last one (hopefully) so I was in tears at the end (of relief).
Good luck to everyone who sat this one!December 8, 2016 at 6:30 pm #362399P.s. I agree the questions are always put in a stupid annoying way. Supposed to make you think and apply the principle – whilst you’re having a massive panic about turning up to the exam, trying not to fail, time off work, running out of time, etc…
December 8, 2016 at 6:39 pm #362403Also how did people deal with accommodation benefit?
Seemed too straight forward, applying the Mv – 75k x 3% value method + annual then just the annual and rent on the other option.
Both deductible and both needed nic @ 13.8%, after tax benefit before taking into account option of disposing the house lay with option 1????
December 8, 2016 at 7:10 pm #362417what a Horrible Q1 part A.
i dont understand what the examiner wanted us to do.i thought great its PSC, than he goes no PSC. i just waffled in part A. Talked about incorporation relief, than compared his income in contract years and how much dividend he needed as i believe we were suppose to take his salary figure not the profit figure as if you took the profit figure than thats already in high rate band. but never the less, overall, it was hard. the style is so different to old questions.
will get back to revision after few weeks off. that feeling of not doing enough is just annoying.
how did u guys find it?
December 8, 2016 at 7:10 pm #362418Hi
In Q1 did anyone else add the R & D of £12,000 back onto the £55,000 to leave £67k TTP?? I based my calc on £67k per year for 2017/18, 2018/19, 2019/20, probably way off the mark. Felt the exam was worded poorly in places and v time pressured!!
December 8, 2016 at 7:20 pm #362420i think it said to ignore the R&D stuff
December 8, 2016 at 8:18 pm #362432Q1 was too lengthy but simple, I think there was a lot to do, probably was far simpler then we might think but the sentences used and as normal ACCA lack of writing poorly questions, mislead students.
I mean it said what is his post income tax if he is incorporated rather than sole trader. I only now realised we were meant to use the 55000 x3 years trading profit to calculate his tax as sole trader. if he was incorporated then we deduct salary from 55,000 x 3years. The rest would be dividends and company pays corporation tax. salary has employer and employee class 1 NIC contributions but dividend has no NIC implications.
But makes it more complicated by saying he doesn’t want to be in higher rate band as he is already taxed at 40%. The question tries to make it too tricky and confuses students because of incorrect wording and not asking clearly what he wants.December 8, 2016 at 9:11 pm #362454i agree.
its already tough doing papers and especially with wordings like this, its appalling that we have to suffer. its not looking great for me. Resit looming away. few weeks off and back to drawing board again.
December 8, 2016 at 9:24 pm #362456AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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I think the paper was fair but was really time pressured. I could have done with an extra 30 mins. Q1 was easy but far too lengthy. The question did say to ignore the R&D expenditure in part 1a. I used 55000 as the adjusted profit for both the company and sole trader. I then deducted the salary and employers ni (less ni allowance) from the company profit and calculated 20% tax on this, the after tax profit would be dividend distributions to Duncan which i grossed up. Not sure if this is correct, but I had to restrict some of the dividend so that he would remain in the basic rate band. Spent far too much time on this question that I had to rush through the other questions.
Did anyone make any adjustments to the building in Q4 under the capital good scheme? Just hoping that I have done enough to scrape a pass.
December 8, 2016 at 9:31 pm #362457yea the capital goods scheme.
it gave 85% i calculated on it first and i used another figure of 75%. i.e repayable to hmrc and can be divided over 10 years.Q1 part A was a messy question.
December 8, 2016 at 11:11 pm #362481what can I say? A fair paper but I needed to practice a lot more past papers. Sigh.
December 9, 2016 at 7:21 am #362539who understood Q1 part A? like what exactly had to be done there.
that was so vague.December 9, 2016 at 8:32 am #362555AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Q1 was so confusing I would like to complain! I couldn’t decide what income shall I calculate trading or employment? Wording very confusing!!! I did loads of past exam question and no one was that badly worded!
December 9, 2016 at 8:35 am #362556AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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I mentioned the capital goods scheme as the question mentioned the value of the building above 250k and the business was partly exempt. I gave an example of the % that could give a refund of VAT or additional charge /10 yrs.
December 9, 2016 at 8:40 am #362559AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Q1 was terrible! Spent too much time on deciding what profit to take into account. I have never come across of such bad worded question!!!
December 9, 2016 at 8:43 am #362560AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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I did the same for this question. Then mentioned the gain on the sale that would be taxed at 20% so additional charge.
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