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Ch 19 Example 7

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  • This topic has 9 replies, 2 voices, and was last updated 8 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • August 31, 2016 at 7:56 am #336477
    Koey
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    Dear Sirs,

    I would like to know for using the indirect method, why “bad debt written off” do not need to included in the adjustment like depreciation as it is not cash?

    Thanks!!

    August 31, 2016 at 8:10 am #336482
    MikeLittle
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    It’s already been netted off the receivables figure

    So the movement from one year to the next already takes account of the irrecoverable debt write off

    Additionally, where in any set of ‘proper / real’ financial statements are you going to find the figure for irrecoverable debts? (unless, by there size, they are classed as exceptional)

    September 1, 2016 at 4:13 am #336666
    Koey
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    for the above question, can I write in the below format because I found it is easier for me to understand.

    Cash flow from operating activities
    adjustment: bad debt written off 17

    decrease in inventory (625-17-491)) 117

    Instead of

    decrease in inventory (625-491) 134

    September 1, 2016 at 5:37 am #336672
    MikeLittle
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    What makes you think that the irrecoverable debt write off is incorporated within the inventory movement?

    In answer to your question, no, that would not be acceptable

    September 1, 2016 at 5:45 am #336674
    Koey
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    Sorry, I was typing it wrong, it should be receivable instead of inventory…so even it is receivable, I cannot answer in this way too?

    Cash flow from operating activities
    adjustment: bad debt written off 17

    decrease in receivable (625-17-491)) 117

    Instead of

    decrease in receivable (625-491) 134

    September 1, 2016 at 5:55 am #336681
    MikeLittle
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    Is this the question where you are asked to prepare the operating activities section using both direct and indirect methods?

    Koey – it will NOT BE APPLICABLE in the exam

    If a cash flow question is asked in its own right, it will be indirect method – it has NEVER been direct method

    And if it’s indirect method, you will not be given a figure for irrecoverable debts

    And anyway, the answer is still NO

    September 1, 2016 at 6:52 am #336694
    Koey
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    yes it is question to ask us to prepare the cash flow from operating activities using both direct and indirect method.

    Could I conclude as below?

    Direct method, bad debt written down will be considered to calculate cash receipt from customers

    Indirect method, bad debt written down will not considered in both adjustment to the operating profit and increase/decrease in receivable as it is already included in the receivable figure.

    September 1, 2016 at 7:05 am #336705
    MikeLittle
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    Correct on both counts

    For the direct method not only will the irrecoverable debt be taken into account when calculating cash received from customers but it will also feature in its own right as an add back in the calculation of operating activities

    OK now?

    September 1, 2016 at 9:34 am #336746
    Koey
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    ok thanks!

    September 1, 2016 at 12:44 pm #336806
    MikeLittle
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    You’re welcome

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