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- June 6, 2016 at 11:00 am #319749June 6, 2016 at 12:10 pm #319840
What topics came in the exam this sitting?
June 6, 2016 at 4:30 pm #319898Group Audit Risks
IAS12
IFRS15
IAS37
IFRS9
Forensics full qn
Ethics/other matters
QC
Current issue- audit of disclosures
(What i remember… what a paper!!!)
🙂June 6, 2016 at 4:40 pm #319904It was unexpected paper. No PFI or due diligence report..
Q1A. analytical procedures 5 marks
B. Group audit risk 18 marks
C. Ethics (tax advice & self interest threat.)
Q2. A. Quality control and ethics 13 marks
B. Audit procedure on contract income
C. Review of audit working paper 5 marks
Q3. Forensic Audit i don’t remember because i did not attempt
Q4. A. Difference between reasonable and limit assurance 4 marks
B. Advantages of audit over review 8 marks
C. Ethics (internal control) 8 marks
Q5. New disclosure requirement 8 marks
B. Wrong Accounting and report implications 12 marks.June 6, 2016 at 5:06 pm #319922She’s indeed not a happy woman
June 6, 2016 at 5:20 pm #3199342b n 2c was so complicated .I did not attempt.i rushed on easier part ..forensic n audit of fs versus limited assurance.
June 6, 2016 at 5:37 pm #319941AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Q1 First question was risk 0
A) importance of analytical procedures
B) audit risk by using analytical
– depesure share
– disposla of subsidiary 5%
– risk of inventory days and written off
– trade recivable aging and days
– trade payable
– cash deficet and going concern
– gearing
– interst cover
– capatalizing the redisign of wearhouse
– new computer system
– operating ratio decC) i can’t remmeber
June 6, 2016 at 5:47 pm #319947AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Q3 )
A )what requirment need before attempting the engagment
Fee, deadline , integrity of cleint , finaial postion , staff and resourses, who will use my report, amount of evedence , negative report
B) forensic pros needed
C) what is the role of the witnessQ5)
A) disclouseors new artical
B) cases of director loan and a discounting operation after the reporting date are both are not discloused provably and need the audit report opinionJune 6, 2016 at 5:48 pm #319949AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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The paper was so tuff and need too much time wish for a 50
June 6, 2016 at 6:31 pm #319975audit risk include :
-good will for impairment
-bad debts as sales increase was 14% where as recievables increased by 32.8% so need to write off
-disposal 5% gain should be recognized in equity , could be due to manipulate for loan.
-IAS 1 profit attributable not presented
-NCI calculation for 7months . risk that 12 months profits atrributted
-Deferred Tax Asset only be recognized when future profits are demonstrated…June 6, 2016 at 6:36 pm #319980It was very time pressured… you had to be absolutely disciplined with your timing. Luckily, I had a digital watch, so calculated my timing down to the precise minutes. Finished (well, my idea of finish) most of it. Hopefully, I’ve done enough.
June 6, 2016 at 6:37 pm #319981Q1 a- analytical procedure as a evidence (ISA-500)
-inludes ratio analysis and trend analysis
– Inconsistency can be identified through analytical procedures between the info provided such as notes and F/SQ1 c- reference could be made for business development but could be failure and auditor could be liable.
-tax position as a self review so need to remove partner for this auditJune 6, 2016 at 6:44 pm #319990Q2a was easy
-materiality need to be revised as new information availaible which may cause higher risk so need to revise it. there was comptency and due care issue
-inspection of new machinary ensure existence
-not to be relay upon written representation . WR can only be relayed if other evidence is not possible.
-ethics
(B) -contigent Asset as it was known dec 2015 for financial difficulties so need to be consider as Virtually certain and recognize other income when contract cancelled.
evidence include:
-Contract agreement
-correspondence with BMCJune 6, 2016 at 6:46 pm #319992Q5.b
Director personal loan as a financial asset and related party transaction..
restructuring no need for provision this year just disclosures if not provided modified report.June 6, 2016 at 6:49 pm #319995Did anyone feel quite pushed for time? time management was quite important for me in this exam I could have said more in some areas but had to move on – last question might be a bit scrappy
Your thoughts welcome.
June 6, 2016 at 6:54 pm #319997I have to say I felt very similar its almost like you just have to say no stop now and move on even when you have more to say.
June 6, 2016 at 6:57 pm #319998Q4.a i .difference wide scope/ timeline of audit
reasonable vs negative
detailed procedures vs analytical procedures usually
b. regulation so compliance
audit more reliable and preferable .
credibility as potential shareholders can rely and invest..
loan can be granted easilyJune 6, 2016 at 6:58 pm #319999this was P7 .reply if you answer the i answered……
June 6, 2016 at 7:03 pm #320004@jeffrey1989 said:
Did anyone feel quite pushed for time? time management was quite important for me in this exam I could have said more in some areas but had to move on – last question might be a bit scrappyYour thoughts welcome.
Very much so Jeffrey.. Q1 way too many issues to tackle and acctg issues required thinking as if it was P2!!
June 6, 2016 at 7:19 pm #320024Hello. Certainly time pressured, I actually managed to do question 1 in 95 minutes, but somehow completely lost my rhythm and had to rush.
Q1a – things I discussed: are additions capex or revex, should interest have been capitalised under ias23, first time consolidating with Nci so risk of mistake, risk of including 12 months of Nci results, no allocation of profit between group and Nci income in income statement, deferred tax asset realisation, new computer system is control risk, deterioration in ratios suggests going concern issue, lack of expert on the audit committee may represent lack of competence so financial statement level risk, should a provision be recognised for the tax case, the use of poor quality tax planners suggests incompetence of management or maybe a fraud risk factor (I decided this wasn’t an external service organisation so I didn’t mention it but now not sure!!!), gain on sale should not be included in p+l as it is an equity transaction, goodwill should probably be impaired due to ratio deterioration
I didn’t mention a load of things, e.g risk that inventory overstated, didn’t talk much about ratios, didn’t mention the product warranty provision, a whole heap of stuff!! Didn’t mention anything about receivables either! A bit annoyed but what can you do.
1b I did UK and I’m sure the question asked to discuss the importance of analytical procedures during planning but it looks above that some people gave examples of procedures… Hoping that was the Int question….. I said something like there are clear relationships between many accounts and balances that the auditor would expect to see, it’s quite clear using analytical procedures if this relationship has broken down so can look there for fraud or errors. Do at planning stage so lots of time to adjust nature timing and extent of audit procedures to match risk etc etc.
1c the tax planning work would be a management and advocacy threat, fairly serious given the fact HMRC were involved. Putting auditor on the board would be self interest and potential intimidation threat.
I messed up 2b, I had 5 mins at the end so just read the first line and winged in. I wrote something about the work in progress being overvalued as it was a specific piece of work for that contract so unlikely to get cost value for it so revalue at NRV… I know the question was going down the line of revrec but I didn’t actually see anything to write about, I saw there had been some cash received but the question said “no other entries have been made” so I sort of ignored it.
June 6, 2016 at 7:22 pm #320029Thought it was a fairly straightforward exam (except question 5) but VERY time pressured. Spent too long on question 1, as after 50 mins I still had to talk about why analytical procs were needed in the planning phase etc. Ran out of time at the end.
I did the UK variant and took a guess that they wanted analytical procedures carried out (ratio analysis) before going on to speak about audit risks.
Some of them I could spot and knew what to do, some I didn’t have a clue.
I noticed that goodwill hadn’t been impaired yet operating expenses had increased a lot, which would suggest there was an impairment.
Said it wasn’t very cash rich, had negative current ratios and quick ratios (meaning they might struggle to pay bills as they fall due), I said the effective tax for each year was different.
Question 2 was ok – first part better than the second part. Part a was just to appraise how badly (essentially) the audit seemed to have been (big Piece of PPE not checked in person. Being told there was no need to check it or do any further work. Audit partner signing off having had a “quick look through” etc).
Question 3 on forensic investigation seemed OK, but struggled to think of enough procedures and evidence to gain (interview suspects, check cctv for meetings, request meeting with banks, talk to staff, trace the amounts in the bank accounts for myself, find out who the other nom executive was that signed off on the “other bank account” etc).
Question 4 looked horrible, so did question 5.
Had a stab at part 1 as it was essentially a summing up exercise from a technical article I had just read. I know what I wanted to say, but I fear it all came out as bollocks.
Part b for 14 marks was my massive down fall – didn’t really have a clue and lost a lot of marks here.
I said that even though the loan wasn’t material, the fact it was an exec meant it was material by nature and had to be disclosed.The redeployment of the business abroad I didn’t have a clue, just said a disclosure was needed.
June 6, 2016 at 7:38 pm #320039Did anyone else think it a little unfair that there was a current issue style question in there on a very obscure area of the syllabus (so obscure that it isn’t referred to in the revision materials for Kaplan)? Also I know we are meant to know the whole syllabus but given that literally none of the previous papers or any of the practice questions available included anything about current issues or exposure drafts I found this a bit mean. Thought rest of paper was ok though, interested to know others thoughts
June 6, 2016 at 7:44 pm #320043AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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proposals re the disclsures to the financial statements is the most recent p7 examiners article.
June 6, 2016 at 7:50 pm #320047AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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@sanjacs said:
It was very time pressured… you had to be absolutely disciplined with your timing. Luckily, I had a digital watch, so calculated my timing down to the precise minutes. Finished (well, my idea of finish) most of it. Hopefully, I’ve done enough.At least you had a watch ! Was surprised to find a plastic bag on my desk when i went into the exam. Anyone with a mobile phone or smartwatch was expected to put these in a clear plastic bag and keep them under their desks! Now i wasnt stupid enough to take an iwatch to the exam…but i was still surprised when the invigilator tore the label off of my bottle of water and also took the wrapper off of my packet of mints!!
June 6, 2016 at 7:54 pm #320048Apparently bananas are banned from exam halls as people have been caught writing answers inside the skin and looking at them during the exam.
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