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  • This topic has 7 replies, 2 voices, and was last updated 9 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • February 18, 2016 at 7:24 am #300923
    Ema
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    Here is a question based on contract assets/ liabilities

    Total contract revenue $72000
    Costs to date $8000
    Estimated cost to completion $54000
    Date started 15.10.20X5
    Estimated completion date 15.9.20X6
    %complete 10%

    Please calculate the revenue and expense to be recorded in profit or loss.

    February 18, 2016 at 7:32 am #300926
    MikeLittle
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    If the year end is 30 September, that’s a “non-question” – you should have told me what the accounting date is

    In addition, there is the basic principle that no profits are recognised until the contract is sufficiently progressed to be able to predict with reasonable certainty the ultimate outcome, and it’s VERY debatable that 10% completion is sufficient

    IF we accept that 10% IS sufficient progress, then 10% of revenue will be $7,200 and 10% of total costs will be $6,200

    But it’s a poor question (or you haven’t given me full information!)

    February 18, 2016 at 2:59 pm #301015
    Ema
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    It is a question from BPP preparation questions : Contract
    The year end is 31st Dec 20X5

    February 18, 2016 at 3:24 pm #301028
    MikeLittle
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    I’ve told you the answer! If 10% is enough to predict with reasonable certainty, then revenue recognised will be $7,200 and costs recognised will be $6,200

    If 10% isn’t enough to predict with reasonable certainty, then revenue recognised will be $7,200 and costs recognised will also be $7,200

    February 18, 2016 at 3:31 pm #301033
    Ema
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    It’s 25% completed to be to be considered

    They have charged revenue and expense both at $8000.

    February 18, 2016 at 3:55 pm #301042
    MikeLittle
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    “It’s 25% completed to be to be considered” – do you mean that the question actually tells you that the contract has to be at least 25% complete before any profit should be recognised?

    Is that what this line of yours means?

    February 18, 2016 at 4:02 pm #301046
    Ema
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    Yes

    February 18, 2016 at 4:10 pm #301049
    MikeLittle
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    THEN WHY DIDN’T YOU TELL ME THAT, EITHER IN YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION OR AFTER MY FIRST RESPONSE? :-(((

    Because we’re only at 10%, no profit should be recognised

    My answer of $7,200 revenue and $7,200 costs recognises no profits

    BPP answer of $8,000 revenue and $8,000 costs recognises no profits

    My answer leaves me with an $800 “asset” of costs incurred, not yet recognised

    BPP answer leaves them with revenue of $800 recognised in excess of 10% of the contract value

    I wouldn’t like to say which is more correct (or more incorrect!)

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