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consolidation contingent consideration

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  • This topic has 15 replies, 3 voices, and was last updated 9 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • October 29, 2015 at 8:00 am #279489
    amna
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    Hi! In Dec 2013 Q1- A decrease in contingent consideration is treated as an income and thus added in Cons.SPL and added to RE.

    Is this adjustments made because it happened in the post acquisition period?

    if it had occurred in the next year perhaps what would have been the adjustments?

    October 29, 2015 at 8:32 am #279491
    MikeLittle
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    Yes, it’s because the decrease occurred in the post acquisition period

    Nothing different if it had happened in the next year (nor the one after that!)

    October 29, 2015 at 8:45 am #279496
    amna
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    okk.i understood that.thank you!!

    does the same rule apply for negative goodwill as well, the timing doesn’t affect it?

    October 29, 2015 at 8:47 am #279499
    MikeLittle
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    The only thing likely to affect negative goodwill is the first anniversary review of fair values. They may confirm the bargain purchase or may reduce the value of the negative goodwill, but can’t increase the negative goodwill

    October 29, 2015 at 9:10 am #279501
    amna
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    ok,you mean the negative goodwill is adjusted in the year of acquisition as an income and any subsequent decrease in later year is adjusted in the year it occurs?

    does the decrease occur due to impairment?

    how will the decrease be recorded? is it deducted as an expense?

    October 29, 2015 at 10:08 am #279504
    MikeLittle
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    The decrease can occur for any reason – it doesn’t need to be an impairment

    If the decrease is due to an impairment then, yes, credit the asset and debit statement of profit or loss

    October 29, 2015 at 12:38 pm #279521
    amna
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    what do you mean by credit the asset? the negative goodwill is treated as an income.not shown as an asset

    October 29, 2015 at 4:52 pm #279548
    MikeLittle
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    Negative goodwill arose because the fair value of the net assets at date of acquisition was greater than the consideration paid to acquire control.

    If the assets were greater and that gave rise to negative goodwill (which was then credited to statement os profit or loss) and you’re asking ho we deal with a decrease in the value of the negative goodwill, then clearly we must reduce the value of the assets that we acquired

    So…..debit impairment / fall in value / call it what you will and
    credit the asset

    OK?

    October 29, 2015 at 5:27 pm #279564
    amna
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    ok.ok.now i got it.THANKS A LOT 🙂

    October 29, 2015 at 5:28 pm #279566
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    You’re welcome

    May 20, 2016 at 1:10 am #315893
    vuvietquang90
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    Dear Mike,

    At d.o.a parent has a contingent consideration of 4.2m and it was provided for future action
    After 1year, the fv of this contingent is reduced to 2.7m
    Can u tell me double entry (soci/sofp) for this consideration???

    Dr RE/ contingent exp
    Cr provision

    Over provision
    Dr provision
    Cr RE/ contingent exp

    Or
    Dr contingent consideration
    Cr provision

    Over provision
    Dr provision
    Cr contingent consideration
    (RE in this double entry have not affected ???)

    May 20, 2016 at 4:48 am #315905
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    It has to go back into Retained Earnings as an over-provision no longer required so debit provision for contingent consideration, credit retained earnings

    May 20, 2016 at 5:12 am #315913
    vuvietquang90
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    @mikelittle said:
    It has to go back into Retained Earnings as an over-provision no longer required so debit provision for contingent consideration, credit retained earnings

    Do we adjust the cost of investment? decrease to 2.7m

    May 20, 2016 at 5:39 am #315921
    MikeLittle
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    Only if the re-assessment was part of the first anniversary review of fair values.

    In that case the double entry would be ….

    Dr Contingent Consideration 1,500
    Cr Goodwill 1,500

    But the examiner would make it clear that it was a part of the anniversary review

    May 20, 2016 at 7:38 am #315974
    vuvietquang90
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    @mikelittle said:
    Only if the re-assessment was part of the first anniversary review of fair values.

    In that case the double entry would be ….

    Dr Contingent Consideration 1,500
    Cr Goodwill 1,500

    But the examiner would make it clear that it was a part of the anniversary review

    Sorry but it seems unclearly for me 🙁
    And it’s a picant question

    The question says: “by 31/03/2010 it was clear that the actual amount to be paid would be only $2.7m… Picant has recorded the share exchange and provided for the initial estimate of $4.2”

    I’m wondering about the 1st entry for contingent consideration,

    Like you said “It has to go back into Retained Earnings as an over-provision no longer required so debit provision for contingent consideration, credit retained earnings”

    I think i will be like this

    Provision
    Dr C.O.I 4,200
    Cr Provision for contingent consideration 4,200

    Actual
    Dr Provision for contingent consideration 1,500
    Cr RE 1,500

    Subsequently why does it not affected into C.O.I??

    And i don’t quite understand this one:

    Dr Contingent Consideration 1,500
    Cr Goodwill 1,500

    May 20, 2016 at 8:01 am #315989
    MikeLittle
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    “Provision
    Dr C.O.I 4,200
    Cr Provision for contingent consideration 4,200” – agreed, so goodwill is increased because cost of investment is higher

    But then, subsequent to acquisition, we decide that it’s not going to be as high as $4.2 – it’s only going to be around $2.7 – so we can debit the provision and credit retained earnings

    “Subsequently why does it not affected into C.O.I?” – it doesn’t affect cost of investment (nor, therefore, Goodwill) because the amount is re-assessed as a result of events taking place AFTER acquisition. As at date of acquisition the estimate was justifiable but afterwards the contingency should be reduced.

    It’s the same therefore as any other provision movement. At the time the provision is created, it was estimated according to best information available AT THAT TIME

    Now, subsequently, there is a re-assessment as at reporting date.
    And there could well be another as at the following year end too

    The suggested solution tells you about it!

    Here:

    Consolidated retained earnings
    Picant’s retained earnings 27,200
    Sander’s post-acquisition losses (2,400 x 75% see below) ( 1,800)
    Gain from reduction of contingent consideration (4,200 – 2,700 see below) 1,500
    URP in inventory (w (iii)) ( 600)
    Adler’s post-acquisition profits (6,000 x 6/12 x 40%) 1,200

    total 27,500

    The adjustment to the provision for contingent consideration due to events occurring after the acquisition is reported in income (goodwill is not recalculated).

    Is that better?

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