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Angel Group Cashflow Question Dec 2013

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  • This topic has 14 replies, 5 voices, and was last updated 7 years ago by Arslan.
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  • November 30, 2014 at 2:21 pm #214738
    Arslan
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    I have pretty much understood the govt. Grant point in the question. But problem came out in ppe
    In point one ppe is revalued by 7 so shouldnt be ppe debit with 7 as revaluation? N secondly why have they added 2 n 3 in ppe ? (2 n 3 which are given in point one)

    Kindly help me. Im confused.

    November 30, 2014 at 5:27 pm #214807
    MikeLittle
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    I’ll need to leave answering this until I get home tomorrow and that will have involved traveling all day today, so I could well leave answering you until Tuesday

    But please post again so the thread is seen to be unanswered

    Thanks

    November 30, 2014 at 6:14 pm #214823
    Arslan
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    Means i have to repost it again?

    December 1, 2014 at 11:41 am #215085
    MikeLittle
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    Hi

    Thanks for posting again – it means that I don’t have to try and remember where there’s an unanswered post – I can see straight away that mine is not the last name so there’s more work for me to do

    Now, your question! I’m confused. There is a comprehensive explanation in the printed solutions. Is that explanation causing you the problem?

    I quote: “The only elements recorded in the financial statements were a charge to revenue for the refurbishment of the building and the receipt of the cash grant, which has been credited to additions of property, plant and equipment (PPE). The building was revalued at 30 November 2013 at $7 million.”

    Given the information in that quoted paragraph, are you not comfortable with the concept of writing out the bad entries, writing out the correct entries and then reconciling the two to show yourself the adjusting entries necessary?

    If you can do this, I believe that you should more easily arrive at the correct solution

    Try it and, as always, if you struggle, post again

    December 1, 2014 at 11:53 am #215086
    Arslan
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    I tried it. But failed. Tried it n failed that is why i posted. Confused between grant n ppe. Im just struck at the value of 7 n satisfied bit of with grant. It ll be great if u ellaborate it briefly.

    December 1, 2014 at 1:29 pm #215106
    MikeLittle
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    Ok, let’s just confirm the “easy” one first.

    The company has debited Cash with the $2m received for the grant and credited PPE with $2m

    It should have debited Cash with the $2m and credited $1m to retained earnings (set off against the wages expense) and $1m to a deferred income account

    To get from first entry to the second one we need to debit PPE $2m and credit $1m to retained earnings (profit before tax) and $1m to deferred income

    OK so far?

    Now the building.

    “The only elements recorded in the financial statements were a charge to revenue for the refurbishment of the building …..” so the company had debited Revenue account with $3 instead of debiting PPE $3m

    To correct, debit PPE $3m and credit $3m to Revenue

    Now, at the end of the year, revalue the building. It’s being carried at $3m (after our amendment above) and we wish to revalue to $7m

    So debit PPE and credit Revaluation Reserve / OCI with the extra $4m

    Better?

    December 2, 2014 at 7:55 am #215727
    Abi
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    Sir is it possible that we will get a cashflow question in December 2014?

    December 2, 2014 at 8:30 am #215759
    MikeLittle
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    Of course it’s possible! It’s also possible that you could get a bank reconciliation F3 type question!

    If you are asking “What is the chance of getting …..?” well that’s a different kettle of fish altogether.

    I doubt very much that there will be a cash flow question in December 2014 P2 examination (I could of course be wrong!)

    Ok?

    December 2, 2014 at 9:23 am #215784
    Abi
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    Ok thank you ????..i hope it doesnt come then

    December 2, 2014 at 9:24 am #215785
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    🙂

    December 2, 2014 at 11:22 am #215934
    MikeLittle
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    OK, but that’s such a pity. I have always found them to be the topic where I could most easily pick up marks.

    Each one to their own, I suppose

    December 5, 2014 at 5:31 pm #218531
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    Thanks! now it’s clear!

    December 5, 2014 at 6:32 pm #218625
    MikeLittle
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    You’re welcome

    May 27, 2018 at 6:00 pm #454296
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    @mikelittle said:
    Ok, let’s just confirm the “easy” one first.

    The company has debited Cash with the $2m received for the grant and credited PPE with $2m

    It should have debited Cash with the $2m and credited $1m to retained earnings (set off against the wages expense) and $1m to a deferred income account

    To get from first entry to the second one we need to debit PPE $2m and credit $1m to retained earnings (profit before tax) and $1m to deferred income

    OK so far?

    Now the building.

    “The only elements recorded in the financial statements were a charge to revenue for the refurbishment of the building …..” so the company had debited Revenue account with $3 instead of debiting PPE $3m

    To correct, debit PPE $3m and credit $3m to Revenue

    Now, at the end of the year, revalue the building. It’s being carried at $3m (after our amendment above) and we wish to revalue to $7m

    So debit PPE and credit Revaluation Reserve / OCI with the extra $4m

    Better?

    sir, why is the revaluation of 7m treated first before recognizing the entry adjustments for cash grant i.e DR PPE 2 CR RE 1 CR DEFERRED INCOME 1 ?

    and why is the DR PPE not included in year end PPE amount after adjustment instead only increase the amount by7?

    May 28, 2018 at 5:13 am #454340
    Arslan
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    yayplanet97 lol its been 2 years since i passed my acca. you came late :p

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