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  • This topic has 20 replies, 7 voices, and was last updated 6 years ago by lachu910.
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  • November 28, 2014 at 9:23 am #214007
    student07
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    Sir please tell me for calculating payment to voblaka bank why r we doing the interest rate as 4.99-4.82 as vobalka bank is charging 4.82% then why dont we directly take 4.82%.Thank you.

    November 28, 2014 at 12:09 pm #214071
    John Moffat
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    You should watch the lecture on this!

    With FRA’s you pay whatever the actual rate is at the start of the loan, and then settle up the difference between that and the FRA rate with the bank (we pay them any extra or they pay us if the actual rate is higher).

    December 1, 2014 at 12:08 pm #215087
    karmuks
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    Hi John,

    Is this FRA calculated correctly? Our actual rate is 4.79%, payment to bank is Libor rate 4.99% less FRA 4.82?

    In my book I have different. Settlement on FRA is difference between actual and FRA ( 4.79%-4.82%)

    Which one is correct?

    December 1, 2014 at 3:09 pm #215168
    John Moffat
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    The examiners answer is wrong. Since these are FRA’s specifically offered to Awan, then he should have use the actual rates not Libor (so Libor – 0.2%)

    December 1, 2014 at 5:18 pm #215265
    karmuks
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    Ok, I’ll stick to you lecture rules, it makes sense 🙂 thank you

    December 1, 2014 at 7:31 pm #215401
    student07
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    Please help
    Are you talking about the investment return or payment or receive from voblaka bank could you pls write the correct solution i m using the examiner solution.

    December 1, 2014 at 8:40 pm #215511
    John Moffat
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    I do not have time to write out the whole answer!!!!

    Everything the examiner did was correct except that he should have used the difference between the actual rate and the FRA rate (rather than the difference between Libor and the FRA rate).

    December 1, 2014 at 9:12 pm #215550
    student07
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    It means when increasing to 4.99 it will be 4.99-4.82 and while decreasing it will be 4.82-3.19

    December 2, 2014 at 8:05 am #215734
    John Moffat
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    Correct 🙂

    November 3, 2016 at 2:58 pm #347223
    cyh
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    hi sir, does it mean that the net effective annual interest rate still is 4.82% as quoted by the bank?

    November 3, 2016 at 5:21 pm #347260
    John Moffat
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    Yes 🙂

    November 6, 2016 at 5:11 pm #347724
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    as suggested , if we use actual rate and the FRA rate as the difference, payment to voblaka bank when interest increase to 4.99 will be (4.79%-4.82%)*$48m*4/12=$4800.if we deduct it from investment return at 4.79% that is $766,400-$4800=$761,600
    Effective annual interest rate =$761,600/$48m*12/4=4.76%. is that correct, pls help me with alternative solution if iam wrong

    November 6, 2016 at 7:34 pm #347749
    John Moffat
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    Have you looked at the examiners answer to this question?

    November 7, 2016 at 5:18 am #347780
    Ibrahim
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    yes, the reason why i asked that question is because of the statement you made that “Everything the examiner did was correct except that he should have used the difference between the actual rate and the FRA rate (rather than the difference between Libor and the FRA rate).” pls if possible give a hint arithmetically how it should be. thanks

    November 7, 2016 at 7:32 am #347788
    John Moffat
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    Sorry – I misread your previous question. What you have written there is correct.

    November 7, 2016 at 3:20 pm #347861
    Ibrahim
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    ok thanks

    November 7, 2016 at 3:51 pm #347867
    John Moffat
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    You are welcome 🙂

    November 11, 2016 at 9:31 pm #348517
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    Hi,
    This question states that Awan co is expecting to receive $48m on 1 feb 2014 which will be invested on 1june 2014.
    Doesn’t this mean that the investment will take place in 4 months’ time and not 3 months? So , FRA 4-7 should be chosen?
    Am I looking at it in the wrong way?

    November 11, 2016 at 9:44 pm #348518
    aadya
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    Hi,
    I guess I interpreted it the wrong way, its 1 nov now and investment will b made on 1 feb- so 3 months time.
    Apologies!

    November 12, 2016 at 7:23 am #348538
    John Moffat
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    That’s correct! No problem 🙂

    March 6, 2019 at 3:48 am #507906
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    Hi sir ,

    i am a little confused here

    One person wrote the payment to bank is “fra of 4.82-4.99 and u said its correct.
    another person wrote payment to bank is ” fra 4.82- actual return of “4.79” and u said that is coorect.

    can u tell me which rates we compare. As far as i understand FRA is 4.82 and actual rate is 4.79 so it making payment to bank should be “4.82-4.99” as the market is offering more than FRA

    the kaplan 2019 kit suggests payment to bank “4.99-4.82″*48m**4/12

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