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  • This topic has 11 replies, 3 voices, and was last updated 10 years ago by Ken Garrett.
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  • November 11, 2014 at 10:11 am #209037
    Dushyan
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    tell me different/alternate names examiner could use for substantive testing
    thanks!

    November 11, 2014 at 10:49 am #209049
    Ken Garrett
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    There aren’t really alternative names to ‘substantive’. There are two types of substantive tests;

    1 Analytical procedures (but these can also be used at the planning stage).

    2 Tests of detail. For example inspecting lots of invoices to ensure they are correctly coded; tracing lots of payments form the cash book to the Dr of receivables accounts. Note, you are not testing controls here. You are testing a high volume of transactions to ensure they are correct.

    November 11, 2014 at 11:39 am #209069
    Dushyan
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    Sir, is “substantive procedures” is an alternative name for “substantive testing/tests”?

    November 11, 2014 at 2:07 pm #209119
    Ken Garrett
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    Yes: an audit procedure = audit test = a way to collect evidence either about the operation of a control or directly about the amount in the financial statements

    November 12, 2014 at 7:32 am #209251
    Ashwin
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    why when there’s is high risk, materiality will be set at low level?
    clear me on this point Sir
    and what is meant by set a low level?

    November 12, 2014 at 8:39 am #209260
    Ken Garrett
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    The materiality level is the $-value above which you become concerned as an autitor that a material misstatement might be made.

    If you set materiality at $1,000, you are not going to be concerned with amounts or errors <$1,000. If you set materiality at $5,000 you will not do much work on amounts or errors <$5,000.

    The $1,000 is a lower level than $5,000 and means you would do more work ef looking at all invoices over $1,000 in a substantive test. If you think invoices have a high risk of being incorrect, you should look at more and would therefore set a lower materiality level.

    November 13, 2014 at 6:57 am #209516
    Ashwin
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    Sir do u think we can get questions on internal audit and corporate governance?
    because full question already came up June 2014
    if can get, how many mark it can come up?

    November 13, 2014 at 7:43 am #209521
    Ken Garrett
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    You could get questions on these subjects, and internal audit comes up regularly.

    I wouldn’t speculate on how many marks.

    November 13, 2014 at 8:48 am #209531
    Ashwin
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    Gromit, what is meant by mgmt letter?
    I’m confuse with engagement letter
    clear me on both of these
    thanks

    November 13, 2014 at 9:37 am #209542
    Ken Garrett
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    An engagement letter is sent at the very start of appointment as auditor. Essentially it sets out the terms of the contract: management prepares FS, auditors seek sufficient appropriate evidence that FS have no material misstatements, management will give auditors all information and explanations they need, involvement if internal audit, timetable, fees etc etc. This will be updated from time to time.

    A management letter is sent out every audit, usually after the interim audit where most of the testing on controls is performed. It sets out internal control weaknesses, the likely effect of those and how to fix them. There might be another management letter at the end of the audit setting out audit problems eg if the inventory count hadn’t gone well.

    November 13, 2014 at 10:52 am #209589
    Ashwin
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    hmm so the engagement letter is sent by the client to the auditor and will contain all informations necessary for the audit (infos provided by management)
    if new things happen, then this letter need to be change

    management letter is sent by auditor to client, containing all weaknesses of ICS and recommendations to fix them

    sir is it good, correct me if my points are incorrect

    November 13, 2014 at 2:39 pm #209633
    Ken Garrett
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    No. Both are sent by the auditor to the client. In respect of the engagement letter the client might have to sign a copy and return it as evidence that the terms of the engagement have been agreed.

    Your other points are correct.

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