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Accounting in associates

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  • This topic has 9 replies, 2 voices, and was last updated 10 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • October 31, 2014 at 10:44 am #206963
    learner93
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    Sir, for downstream transaction do we have to deduct the group’s share of urp from the sopl of group (share of associates profit)?

    And for the upstream transaction why are we debiting cost of sales? Thanks in advance.

    October 31, 2014 at 2:48 pm #206992
    MikeLittle
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    Yes

    and

    because we are trying to reduce profit. This we do by reducing closing inventory and that increases cost of sales, and that reduces profit

    OK?

    November 1, 2014 at 2:42 am #207035
    learner93
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    I am a bit confused sir. Now for downstream transaction since the inventory now belongs to the associate, shouldn’t we debiting the associate’s cost of sales, then this decreases group share of associates profit and so should debit retained earnings of group?

    And, regarding my first question above, june 2014 ques 1 did not deduct the urp from Penketh sopl (investment income: share of profit from associate). Why is this so?

    November 1, 2014 at 6:35 am #207044
    MikeLittle
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    That’s exactly what the course notes say “make the pup adjustment in the associate’s records and then take the group’s share of the associate’s adjusted profit after tax”

    Where did they make the adjustment?

    November 1, 2014 at 7:49 am #207052
    learner93
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    So this means that we debit cost of sales in both up/downstream transaction to decrease group’s profit during the yr in sopl? And that decreased RE will balance with the decrease of inv/investment in associate(group share of post profit) in sofp right sir?

    The ques only required us to do consol sopl, ans written is they adjust urp in cost of sales. For the one line share of profit from associate, they just take group’s share of associate’s PAT.

    November 1, 2014 at 9:28 am #207059
    MikeLittle
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    So, are you sorted out now?

    November 1, 2014 at 9:54 am #207062
    learner93
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    Not too sure yet, so my statement above correct sir? But why in the past year ques urp not deducted from share of associates profit? Since downstream transaction is
    Dr Cost of sales
    Cr Investment in associates
    Credit investment is because share of profit dropped so shouldn’t the one line share of profit in sopl also dropped by the urp amount?

    November 1, 2014 at 3:11 pm #207106
    MikeLittle
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    If you have read the course notes then you would see that, no matter whether we are buying from or selling to the associate, if you ALWAYS make the pup in the associate’s records, you arrive at the correct answer.

    BPP, Kaplan and sometimes the examiner make the adjustment for a downstream (ugh expression) pup in the parent’s records. It comes to the same answer overall but has slightly different values for investment in associate and inventory (I think)

    Don’t panic about it!

    November 2, 2014 at 2:22 am #207158
    learner93
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    Thank you very much sir for helping me. 🙂 i think i’ve got some idea about it already.

    November 6, 2014 at 4:11 pm #208028
    MikeLittle
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    You’re welcome

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